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English Scots for YES

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paddyann Sun 26-Feb-17 23:15:20

this weekend saw the Mayor of London Sadiq Khan and Jeremy Coorbyn both north of the border giving us "the facts" about Nationalism .They couldn't BE more wrong ,Scottish Nationalism ,unlike English Nationalism or Britnats is INCLUSIVE we dont care where you were born if you live here you're Scottish by Coice.Here is a link to what the group English scots for YES have to say about the interference from Mr Khan and Mr Corbyn ...it might surprise you.I have found a lot of people on here are very misinformed about Scotland and our efforts towards independence ,lets see if this helps .http://www.englishscotsforyes.org/2017/02/26/on-nationalism/
On Nationalism… – English Scots for YES
Many of you will have seen the comments of London’s Mayor Sadiq Khan over the weekend to Scottish Labour’s annual conference; many of you will share the outrage felt by our members, by supporters of Scottish independence, and indeed across the Scottish political spectrum at what we feel is a complet...
englishscotsforyes.org

durhamjen Wed 05-Apr-17 20:06:21

Okay, grannypiper. Admit that you can't be bothered to look at an academic paper, or rather set of papers.
It was a conference at York University. Even daphne might be interested in that link from me.

varian Wed 05-Apr-17 20:09:26

I know people voted SNP for different reasons. I have members of my own family who voted SNP. I only pointed out that Rupert Murdoch's Scottish Sun told its readers to support the nationalists and I don't think even the most ardent cult follower could deny that some readers of the Scottish Sun did as they were told. Newspaper proprietors have their own agenda. Murdoch told the Sun readers south of the border to support the Tories. Is it possible that Sun readers north and south of the border are not the most well informed voters?

durhamjen Wed 05-Apr-17 20:12:14

Which is why Murdoch should not be allowed to take over Sky.

mcem Wed 05-Apr-17 20:29:35

Precisely dj. Recently at my newsagent I was offered a free copy of the Sun which I politely refused but added that accepting might be regarded as condoning Murdoch's antics. The same explanation I give each time I'm approached to have sky tv.
I have to agree however about the intellectual achievements of some Sun readers.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Apr-17 20:58:42

Well, Liverpool FC supporters must be very well informed indeed as they would never ever buy the Sun (or take it even if it was free).

rosesarered Wed 05-Apr-17 21:03:31

grin what did the hapless Newsagent say to you mcem?

durhamjen Wed 05-Apr-17 21:07:40

Same happened to me, mcem.
I said, "You're joking, of course," and the newsagent said, "It's surprising how many people say that!"

Granny23 Sun 09-Apr-17 11:51:52

www.aol.co.uk/news/2017/04/09/scotland-would-be-most-welcome-as-full-eu-member-50-meps-say/

Headline says it all really.

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 12:04:33

Yes, I saw that yesterday, Granny23.

Scotalnd would not have to go to the back of the queue, as there is no queue. Each application is treated separately on its own merits.
As Scotland has already passed the criteria as part of the UK, there would be no problem.

rosesarered Sun 09-Apr-17 12:52:22

It passed the criteria as part of the UK....... exactly.

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 13:02:23

And it still passes those criteria. Exactly.

nigglynellie Sun 09-Apr-17 13:15:50

dj you seem so keen on Scotland, are you planning to go and live there, provided they get their independence of course? Just curious, as you clearly deeply dislike England, so it would seem to be the ideal place for you.

rosesarered Sun 09-Apr-17 13:22:14

You would think so, wouldn't you? Why are you so keen to live in Scotland durhamjen or at least keen to see it break away from the UK?

grannypiper Sun 09-Apr-17 13:41:30

Durhamjen In regard to your post on Wednesday 5th April at 20:06:21, you make a lot of assumptions without any background knowledge.

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 14:32:02

Here you are then. Read about it, then say they are not worth a jot.

www.welfareconditionality.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Sofia-Vasilopoulou.pdf

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 14:34:03

www.welfareconditionality.ac.uk/2017/04/remarkable-timing-for-our-brexit-and-eu-migration-debate/

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 16:34:35

Here you are, Granny23. Your ideal answer.

www.theweek.co.uk/83412/should-the-scots-forget-independence-and-team-up-with-canada

grannypiper Mon 10-Apr-17 20:20:39

DJ The first "paper" lacks information and as for the second "paper" it made me howl with laughter, how can you take it seriously when it is written by the "Welfare conditionality project impact officer" even that made up job title screams Liberal. I am so dissapointed DJ i thought your many links would be informative.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 20:45:56

Okay, so you are not concerned about welfare sanctions and support research by academics from various universities.
Why does that not surprise me?

www.welfareconditionality.ac.uk/who-we-are/

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 21:00:47

"The date – 29 March – was certainly memorable. On the same day that Prime Minister Theresa May initiated Britain’s exit from the EU, our event in York debated the welfare and rights of those EU citizens already here in the UK. It was clear that many participants in our event were concerned with the treatment of EU migrants under the current rules and practice: so what would the future hold?

First, how did we get to the current situation? Two of our speakers presented fascinating and varied analyses of last June’s Brexit vote. Dave Innes from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation linked the ‘leave’ result to the geography of poverty and low qualifications. The referendum highlighted social and economic divides that need to be healed, he said.

Dr Sofia Vasilopoulou offered a contrasting view, suggesting different issues were important for leave or remain voters. And there are nuances. Across Europe, she noted, a significant minority of citizens may potentially favour a vote to leave the EU in the future. But a strong majority are in favour of ‘the free movement of EU citizens who can live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU’."

rosesarered Mon 10-Apr-17 21:35:26

You still haven't answered why you hope that Scotland will break away from the union with the UK durhamjen and quite why you admire NS and the SNP so much.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 21:52:38

I am sure you will find it somewhere in the previous 720 posts, roses. I'm not repeating myself just for you.

NfkDumpling Mon 10-Apr-17 22:10:34

Please do DJ. It's not so much you being pro Scottish independence, it's why do you dislike England so much? Your feelings seem to go far beyond a hatred of Westminster.

durhamjen Mon 10-Apr-17 22:18:28

Or you could just read the first page. What I dislike is the hypocrisy of the English who say that the Scots should just give in to Brexit, even though they were mislead on the referendum.
I think some people's dislike of me on here is clouding their judgment.

rosesarered Mon 10-Apr-17 22:40:12

Not at all, I for one am genuinely curious why you hope the Scots will leave our union.
I agree that they should be able to choose( if they really want another referendum in a year or so) but I would not feel that I want them to go, far from it......so why do you?

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