English Scots for YES

Some amusing newspaper headlines this morning. I particularly like "Another treacherous Queen of Scots has miscalculated as polls suggest 47% want to remain in the Union". Priceless.

Gillybob - I know my suggestion is not practical but equally I think we should stay as a United Kingdom and a member of the EU. This is not happening so I think many Scots would vote for independence who didn't before. London is richer and has twice as many people as Scotland and wanted to remain in the EU. I really don't think we should have had either referendum. I wanted the status quo but have to live with Brexit so would live with an independent Scotland if need be.

I agree Grannypiper and the ribbing ( if any) for Scots here is nothing like some of the invective directed against English men.We had friends living near Aberdeen who came back here after three years because of it.Things work both ways.

granny23 It is not only us jocks who suffer abuse, many Scots often casually use the term "English bast@rds" or even worse the "c" word. I have lived in 3 English counties and have only ever encountered lighthearted ribbing where as my DH who is English and now lives here in Scotland buts up with abuse often.The Scots need to remember that those in glass houses....

gillybob i am a Scot and i LOVE an Englishman he is called my DH [GRIN]

Gillybob I cannot claim to love ALL 'the English' any more than I love ALL the Scots, but I certainly consider you and many more English people to be my friends. Even if we don't agree about everything, we have more in common than issues where we have to agree to disagree.

On the other hand we have posters like ClaudiaClaws who feels at liberty to condemn all Scots out of hand for no apparent reason. I did consider reporting her post but decided it should remain as an example of the drivel directed at us Scots as well as immigrants, refugees, black or gay people, on a daily basis in the comments section of the Daily Express etc.

However, I am well aware that such comments emanate from a very very small minority of extreme right wingers. We have our own home-grown counter parts here in Scotland too.

As a Remainer, I don't love the EU Ana just the same as many no most no many Scottish people don't love the English but my personal opinion is that (in this often horrible world we live in) together we are stronger.

It seems so obvious now!

Surely it would work better the other way round? If Remainers love the EU so much, let them move there, and the Leavers can stay in the UK - sorted!

I voted remain but (reluctantly) stand by the majority decision to leave. We can't just hold referendum after referendum until we get the vote we want which seems what NS and the SNP want.

Why not go one step further GrandmaMoira and allow every individual who voted remain to stay in the EU and everyone who voted to leave, can leave.

Nope!

As a Scot living in England, I was brought up to be anti SNP and wanted Scotland to stay in the UK. However, now we have Brexit, if I had a vote, I would vote independence in the hope I could stay in the EU. I'm sure many Scots will feel the same.
Please can we have a referendum in London so we can stay in the EU - there's far more people here than in Scotland and we voted Remain in higher numbers than Scotland.

Quite honestly, I wish Scotland would piss off! they wont be able to vote in our Parliament. And no, they wont be allowed in the EU

Variant I guess the eligibility rules could be different next time? Now would be a good time for those who feel strongly about that to start writing to MPs/MSPs, campaigning etc?

but Theresa May will have to grant it and I can't see that happening. Nicola S. is getting irritating. Have you seen the Tracy Ullman show where she plays Nicola as a James Bond type megalomaniac - only don't mention oil-prices. Very funny.

That is a very good post, Pollaidh. It is just how I feel, except that I am powerless to vote to retain the United Kingdom as although I was born and brought up in Scotland I happen to be living in another part of the UK as I was in 2014.

Our family was also bitterly divided, and although I respect people like Granny 23, who clearly has been a longstanding supporter of the SNP (for reasons she thinks make sense), the vitriolic abuse of the cybernats who peddled hatred was vile. It is appalling to think we may have to go through all that again, as if Brexit wasn't bad enough. I cant'stand the thought of Scexit.

The damage is done Beammeupscottie - the referendum (like that of the EU) is a question that should never have been asked.

Don't worry Pollaidh, she won't get it! Sturgeon is always playing political games.

I have lived in Scotland for over 30 years and am hugely distressed at this threat to re-run the independence referendum. It just about tore our family apart last time and we were just beginning to heal. For my part I voted "no" last time and, in spite of Brexit, intend to do so again. I have turned the issue over many times and still come to that conclusion. What we (in theory at least) have before us is a binary choice between two unions: EU or UK. Although I voted firmly to remain in the EU referendum my choice of union will be with the UK, with whom we share a language, a land border, a currency, many values, much trade and a great deal of hard infrastructure. It is debatable whether the EU will support the smooth transition of Scotland as an independent state, but highly likely that many conditions (the Euro, free movement of people for example) would be imposed. Scotland does not share a language, land border, currency or hard infrastructure with the EU. As for values, the EU countries are showing clear signs of moving to the far right - not a club I wish to join. I sincerely regret this time of government by referenda. Where the balance of opinion is so fine - there is no overwhelming majority - there is bound to be huge bitter divisiveness, as we witnessed in 2014. I have noted Paddyann's use of capitals, extreme dogmatism in her argument and a resurgence of the plain bonkers stuff that we were fed last time around about the Bank of England and other such idiot claims.England and Scotland have far more in common than what divides us. Separatism and Nationalism thrive on the villification of "the other". This is not a world I want.

Perhaps you shouldn't post things at 2 am dd

What are you on about now dd I find your posts quite odd sometimes.
There was nothing /zilch/zero/de nada in my post that said anything that you have just said.
You say 'So if the SNP don't represent anybody in Scotlands view' what is that supposed to mean?

The SNP does represent many peoples views, ( you also say) and I have no arguement with that, but the SNP doesn't resonate with everybody, and their separatism agenda also does not resonate with everybody.The once in a generation promised referendum was held and the message was clear, people in Scotland wanted to stay within the UK.
Now, is there anything else that you don't understand about my post?

They lost their majority in the last Scottish election.
Dj any chance of you helping the Scottish Labour party to return to their previous strength? We need all the help we can get!

Another rosesarered-ism! So if the SNP don't represent anybody in Scotland's view, why did they vote for SNP MPs in 2015?

Of course the SNP represents many Scots' views! Whether they represent the majority, I don't know, but certainly the overwhelming majority of Scottish MPs are SNP.

Whether the majority of Scots want independence, I don't know, but it certainly is not true that none of them do.

Why, oh why, do you make these things up roses and assume that you know what everybody is thinking? Is it wishful thinking? Or something else?