English Scots for YES

roses I expressed no annoyance but surely anyone might be concerned by such a patronising and dismissive remark?
'Goodies handed out from Westminster' implies holding out a begging bowl while contributing nothing.
Perhaps if your remark had been expressed in a clearer and more civil way, I'd have had no need to query it.

Jalima, I did think, like you, that the OP's rants had the tone of the religious convert. We are each entitled to our opinion but diatribes like Paddyann's simply alienate people, not win them over.

Like mcem I would be interested to hear from roses what she meant regarding "goodies handed out from Westminster"

I thought roses had explained in her post of 10.46, Esspee.

I just did explain. No need for a huff, for 'goodies' read concessions/powers.I would have thought it was obvious really.

paddyann your childish and frequent, repetitive use of vulgarity does your cause no benefit. I am Scottish and proud of being so, but hate the fervour and division which has been whipped up into a frenzy by the SNP, you are a perfect example of this. I am now leaving this nasty and vulgar discussion. Good luck with your campaign wherever it may lead, I would advise you do not speak to people in real life as you have spoken to many on here, it could get you a punch on the nose.

roses you attribute a sense of annoyance with no grounds and then, when I ask a reasonable and polite question am accused of 'huffing'.
Can't see how goodies = concessions/powers
but can see a very patronising attitude for absolutely no good reason.
Sarcastic and patronising posts can be every bit as annoying to some readers as over-the-top rants are to others.

Having had a chat with a Scottish friend it does seem that in the event the Scots who wanted to stay in the Union were doomed whichever way they'd voted. Yes, they were lied to when Westminster said that they had to stay in the UK in order to stay in the EU, because Westminster couldn't see beyond the end of it's nose. The assumption that the In/Out referendum would return an In vote was big headed to say the least. Perhaps if the opinion polls had ventured outside London and the South East ...

It does appear that if Scotland were to vote for independence from the UK before or after Brexit it would be down to the EU nations to vote on whether it should be a member and under what terms as it would then be a new country as Greenland was. Much would depend on whether Scotland could prove itself a net contributor and theoretically meet the criteria for joining. It's not automatic. If Scotland were admitted then Turkey, the Ukraine and others would immediately demand the same. Can the EU without UK contributions (or only contributions to projects already agreed) afford it?

No sarcasm intended mcem that is what you read into it as an SNP supporter perhaps.Just a use of words, nothing personal.If you really want to take it personally that is up to you.

Just been watching The Daily Politics which as always, is interesting.If The SNP were granted another referendum on staying with the UK or leaving, before the terms of Brexit were known, that would cloud the water, and if they held it after we have left the EU, Scotland (if it were indipendent) would have to apply again to the EU to be a member.It was suggested there is little appetite for another referendum there after the last one was only three years ago.In fact, if we have left the EU, the number of people voting to stay with the UK in Scotland could be much greater than last time round!
If the answer is a resounding NO to leaving the UK in a referendum, the SNP will be in a much weaker position.

Thinking about the size of Scotland, it's wealth etc and it's chances of being admitted to the EU, out of curiosity I just looked up the population - approx 5.3 million. As a proportion of the whole of the UK (approx 63.3 million) not that great. I also found out that even if every single person who voted to leave changed their vote it wouldn't have changed the overall result. You'd need to persuade at least an additional 300,000 voters to turn out. Sort of puts things into proportion.

Do you mean if everyone in Scotland, who voted in the referendum in 2016, had voted to Remain in the EU, the UK result would still have been Leave?

roses you accuse me of reading meanings into words. The words you chose to use are clearly and unequivocally patronising - no need to read anything into them.
However you read into my posts that I must be an SNP supporter on the basis of a couple of reasonable and civil questions with no 'ranting' or hostility.
Perhaps you need to think through your posts more rationally before sending.

storm-teacup.

Whatever!

FarNorth Yep!

It took a while to find somewhere which gave real figures, it's all percentages.

(unless of course, it was false news!!)

Esspee
Jalima, I did think, like you, that the OP's rants had the tone of the religious convert. We are each entitled to our opinion but diatribes like Paddyann's simply alienate people, not win them over.

That's right, we are all open to listening to reasoned arguments (even if we don't agree in the ultimate ) but a rather foul-mouthed rant makes me want to block my ears.

it could get you a punch on the nose.
or a Glasgow kiss

(ducks and runs)

It does put things into proportion, NfkDumpling.

Totally opposite conclusions could be drawn from that, of course.

The ranting of the OP who stupidly claims that the SNP have not divided Scotland has proved how absurd that claim is by his nasty attacks on GNetters who dare do disagree.

I think the OP is a 'she' varian

That is very interesting NfkDumpling

And everyone seems to have forgotten about Gibraltar

I think Gibraltar was thrown in as a bit of insurance by Mr Cameron and to keep them quiet. Did the Falklands get a vote?

I've read all paddyann's contributions to this thread. She's a bit ranty passionate but in regard to rudeness I think you're judging her on words she hasn't used. If you look carefully at the 'rude' post you'll find that she's quoting 'rude' posts from another forum.