Could this be the start of a nasty period in Britain as Brexit starts to hit?

You are implying that people who voted out did so because of immigration. This can only imply one thing to me and Racist I am not.

Good posts Lilyflower and icanhandthemback

Why's it Brexit-bashing to object to people making things up and calling others silly names?

More Brexit-bashing. More to the point, can anyone give any good reason for STAYING in the EU? It might be good for the fat cat employers to get cheap labour, but less good for the rest of us, with endless increasing pressure on the infrastructure, NHS etc. All we got from Cameron, Osborne etc. was Project Fear, the sky would fall in WW3 would start etc. Of course the EU are going to make it as difficult as possible for us to leave, as we are net contributors.

Where have I been whinging? Oh dear! If that's the best you can come up with, I'll stick with my decision to vote Remain.

PS. Do you lot always have to rely on making things up and calling people names?

Typical answer from a Remoaners. I voted out as did 17+ million Stop winging, most voted out for lots of other reasons mainly to take back control of this country. Instead of moaning let's start pulling together to make this really work, for as long as there are people pulling the opposite way then things will not work. By the way I am an immigrant and most of my friends also immigrants voted the same way as me.

So where have I stated strong personal opinions on immigration sarahellenwhitney?

MaisieD.I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if I were you.Wait and see. There may be things you don't approve of there may be those you do. Rome wasn't built in a day.

PS. Your apology will be accepted!

sarahellenwhitney Where have I stated my opinion of immigrants?

Daphnedill
Contrary to your opinions, and to which we all have a right, as a Brexit who we allow in to our country as does the U.S makes sense.
The UK want workers not shirkers, we have enough of our own thank you.
I have expat relatives in the U.S.In the suburbs where they live my relatives are but of a small minority who can speak english.The rest are made up of all countries.Not speaking English did not prevent them getting a green card.They were there to work.That is what the U.S wanted and hopefully like the U.S this country will follow suit.Let us have those who
want to make the UK prosper and work with us.Not those who see the UK as a free ride.

HildaW, I suspect the reason that many Brexiteers have kept quiet about their reasons for their choices is the fact they get fearsomely bashed for their views. It is no good saying to an ardent Remainer that British Sovereignty was your main concern rather than immigration or you were worried about the infrastructure not being there if uncontrolled immigration continued or that an organisation that needs ALL the other countries to agree for change to take place might be proving to be unworkable. You are just labelled as "racist." I have friends who have stopped being friends with others just because they considered voting Brexit. No wonder Brexiteers keep their voices to a whisper.
As for the cases highlighted here, it will always be the case that there will be injustice if officials work under a tick box approach rather than using a bit of common sense too. I'd have thought that for people with strong ties to a business, family, etc., should be given the chance to apply for leave to stay in such circumstances.

'Hard cases make bad law' has been the legal maxim time out of mind. There will be many such cases of outrageous extremities by the media from now on to discredit the reasonable democratic decision made by the electorate. Conflating the perfectly reasonable desire to regain control over UK borders with a case of over zealous, local decision making is not rational.

People need to remain cool, objective and logical in their attitudes to exit from the EU. Hot headed, subjective, emotionalism helps no one, especially when it is combined with partial or complete misinformation.

Not only ludicrous, but totally lacking in humanity and common sense. I voted Remain, but thought we must all go along with the majority vote. I'm sure many Leavers are also appalled at this stupid action.

No, these things are not Brexit related. I have read a few cases of people who have been here for years, married etc but not done the paperwork.........Brexit was voted for last June, the home office are not that speedy at enforcement.

Brexit was about controlling unfettered immigration, we cannot take everybody. It is about (in part) preventing the weakening of existing cultures, we would all campaign to save indians up the Amazon and yet see our own culture as disposable. Other EU countries are saying this too. An influx of people who naturally want to bring their own ways / religion / structures is going to be a problem, we have to have ways to cope with that.

Look at the other EU countries, they are saying the same thing. We cannot afford to take all comers and pay them the same benefits as UK nationals, when in many cases, it is paid to children, who are not here and then receive fabulous benefits with the exchange rates to their home country, where wages are very poor.

I voted out because I resent the way the EU controls all the traditional remedies and that meant many were removed fro the shelves.

I do not think open boards are safe, the bomber who killed people at the Christmas market was able to go all over Europe before being captured.

I am surprised that people cannot know, what people who voted out wanted, it isnt as if there is no mention of it in the media.

Best thing to do is educate yourself about the Brexit point of view if that is the way we are heading and you don't understand why. It will not be perfect, the EU were given chances to adapt and refused, we do not elect them and cannot sack them. The only option then is to leave.

I'll just leave this here with no comment

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This type of ignorance from the people in charge has been going on since the dawn of time , brexit has nothing to do with it but is a great thing to blame for it. People voted out , more than voted in - fact. Politicians lie - fact. If we continue to be decent kind human beings then the good should outway the bad. The vote hasn't changed who I am. It shouldn't change you. Peace & love x

GillT57, if you didn't mean this to turn into a Brexit rant, why use the terminology in your initial thread? Result inevitable I would respectfully suggest.

GillT57 - it's beyond comprehension.

Absolutely Badenkate The scientific community are horrified.
Lords Amendment today likely in favour of preserving the rights of EU citizens currently in UK.

One of the things we should be really worrying about is those non-UK residents living here who have saleable skills - scientists, engineers, academics etc - who contribute so much to the UK's economy. Why should they stay when they are not apparently welcomed? We have lived in other countries and know how soon you can feel unwanted and vulnerable. As DH said this morning, if I was in that situation now, I'd be looking to move somewhere else as soon as possible.

This might be good news for EU citizens living here.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/28/theresa-may-faces-defeat-in-lords-over-rights-of-eu-citizens

On the other hand, it might put May's back up even more.
Hope she sees sense and allows this one change to article 50.

Rinouchka, only if you are out of the UK for two years, as far as I am aware.

Irene Clennell has nine weeks, I think, in which to appeal. If she doesn't she will not be able to reapply for ten years, it was said on the radio this morning. Can you imagine how much it will cost the country to support her sick husband over that time? She is his main carer.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/02/6-times-home-office-broke-british-families-name-immigration

One of my sons has a Spanish wife. He was made redundant over the summer. If his wife, also a teacher who has been here over 20 years, is made redundant, she is worried that she could be deported as neither of them will be earning. At the moment there is no incentive to apply for citizenship, as it can easily be turned down for no obvious reason.
I read today about a British wife with a French husband who has been turned down, so they are not going to bother trying again. They are going to go to Scandinavia. He is a scientist, exactly the sort of person we say we want to keep here.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/scottish-woman-and-french-husband-quit-uk-over-brexit

I think this is connected with Brexit because now that the government has admitted that they won't be able to restrict immigration, and other countries have made it clear that they want increased emigration to the UK as part of trade deals, they are back to the pre-referendum scrabble to limit immigration in any way that they possibly can. Theresa May has painted herself into this corner by insisting that immigration was a primary cause of the No vote. She signally failed to cut immigration while she was Home Secretary; I doubt if she can do any better now.

Although, the post Brexit picture for workers here on short term visas set out in this blog looks so grim that a) it would not be surprising if fewer people would want to come here to work and b)suggests that employmment practices could become even worse than they can be at present; practices which might arouse our indignation and disgust if reported from other countries.

EU workers will no longer be in the UK as fellow EU citizens with exactly the same rights as UK EU citizens. In future, the EU workers will be here on work visas, probably two or five year renewable. These will be awarded through sponsorship by their employer. That will put them at the absolute mercy of employers and make them terrified of complaint or even standing against gross abuse and illegality. The conditions at the Sports Direct warehouse will seem good compared to what is coming in workplaces throughout the UK, once people like Mike Ashley can simply have “troublemakers” instantly deported.
www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/02/brexit-will-lower-wages/comment-page-1/#comment-658434

The government seems to be developing tunnel vision when it comes to Brexit. They are fixing on immigration as the big issue and want to be seen to be doing something.