Respect the office

re Cuban missile crisis.
Had the outcome been different I suggest we might very well have been affected (by nuclear war)!!!!!!

There are many sites to fill you in on the history of this critical period in the Cold War. The general consensus was that the world came as close as it could have tomthe possibility of Nuclear War. Kennedy may have had many personal faults but I believe he can be credited with holding his nerve and avoiding disaster.
(And yes, it would have affected the U.K.as NATO Allies and all of Europe.)

"The Cuban Missile Crisis, October 1962
The Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962 was a direct and dangerous confrontation between the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War and was the moment when the two superpowers came closest to nuclear conflict. The crisis was unique in a number of ways, featuring calculations and miscalculations as well as direct and secret communications and miscommunications between the two sides. The dramatic crisis was also characterized by the fact that it was primarily played out at the White House and the Kremlin level with relatively little input from the respective bureaucracies typically involved in the foreign policy process."

Having just started googling, it cant have been that she was worried about that I remember, because at the time of the missile crisis I was only an infant.

The only thing I remember about the cuban missile crisis is my mum being worried. And my mum doesnt do worry, so it had an impact on me!

I suppose you are right?

I did read somewhere on gransnet I think, that the UK would have to get permission from the US to activate its nuclear missiles?
Is that right, or did I get the wrong end of the stivk?

I will google cuban missile crisis. Would that have affected the UK per se? I will google!

I remember watching an interview with Paddy Ashdown and William Hague some time ago. Hague was talking about China being Enemy Number 1, but Ashdown shook his head and said that he was ignoring Russia and what was happening (at the time) in Ukraine. Ashdown was right and the US will have a crucial role in what happens in that part of the world. We can't afford to ignore the President of the US.

I can't agree Ankers and think Eloethan is spot on. The US is enormously powerful and can hold the fate of the Estern world in its hands.
You may be too young to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, but the world literally teetered on the brink . The UK had no influence, it was down to the USA and the USSR
Lessons from history.

Of course it is our business who the US President is - decisions made in the US affect the whole world, socially, militarily and economically.

It isnt really.

We dont get to vote. America doesnt rule us. They dont own us. They dont make our laws etc. We are not a member.

Yes, America affects us. But so does France or Belgium.

People are forever saying Britain should butt out of other countries, but some seem intent on butting in to America. And they dont even like the country most of the time.

Of course it is our business who the US President is - decisions made in the US affect the whole world, socially, militarily and economically.

As CNN reported in 2012, "the United states has active duty military troops stationed in nearly 150 countries". The 2008 financial crash is largely accepted as being triggered by the US sub prime mortgage crisis. It is a fact that creeping Americanisation is increasingly found in many countries, including Britain.

Apart from all that, when a country as powerful as America is led by a man who seems intent on causing hatred and division, I feel it is everybody's business.

Every now and again we have a good laugh and forget how serious this might turn out to be. Donald Trump is actually the "leader of the free world". God help us all.

eveningharold.com/2017/03/05/obama-alleged-to-have-monitored-trump-with-dastardly-reading-twitter-ploy/

Is nothing sacred?

GN seems to have moved to grumpy land this morning (not specifically this thread) so here's something to raise a (wry) smile.

I'm not that bothered about the grand scheme of things or whether the office of President will exist in 20, 50, 100 years time. I'm more worried about what DT will do in the next few weeks, months and years.

I don't want to live/die in interesting times.

He isnt in trouble yet.
But he does need to be careful. More careful than he is being. Which is why I am doubtful he will stay in office 4 years. He will trip himself up somewhere along the line in my opinion.

Though having said that, Hillary Clinton managed somehow not to end up in prison or get herself into serious trouble[though she lost the election], so Trump may be able to dodge things too, if he gets himself stuck in sticky situations also.

www.politicususa.com/2017/03/04/fisa-warrant-include-cert-target-foreign-power-agent-foreign-power.html

Maybe trump should have respected the office; then he might not have got himself into trouble.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment

Respecting an elected office, such as the US presidency, while not respecting the person who holds the office has nothing to do with the electoral system and everything to do with the elected person's behaviour.

Incidentally, although not really relevant to my OP, I think even those Republicans who have criticised Donald Trump would be reluctant to pursue impeachment.

Goodnight. Your typing will be okay tomorrow.

<sigh agsin> say= any . Time for bed methinks

<sigh> birther

And as for respect - well that's a two way street - DT was a leading proponent of the birthed movement which was a vile racist attack on Obama and not related to say thing he'd actually done as President

X posts, Rigby.

I wish that was true. He is everyone's problem. He is the most powerful person in the Western world. We can't ignore him, even if we wanted to. We can't ignore May's wish to cosy up to him to make the UK more powerful than the EU.
He doesn't want to cooperate; he wants the US to be the most powerful place in the world.
Our "independent" nuclear deterrent is controlled by him.

But DT is our problem - his relationship with Russia, how he reacts to the N Korea problem, how he deals with Israel will all impact on us - POTUS isn't called the leader of the free world for no reason - and we are part of the free world. We have a perfect right to be concerned about what he does.

But he is not our problem. He is America's problem. They voted him in. It really is none of our business and let's face it Obama made it perfectly clear that we (the UK) would be at the back of the queue when it came to trade.

Our own politicians are often far from squeaky clean and we should really be concentrating on problems at home.