Scottish Referendum Autumn 2018 - Spring 2019

Maw Obvious but needs saying.

PADDYANN I voted no in the referendum as i dont want the UK broken up.I voted snp at the last general election,why ? because like hundreds of thousands of other Scots i understood that Labour were just not viable, the Tories never stand a cat in hells chance, the Liberals are a laughing stock and as for the rest we dont even know who they are, so that left the snp, we dont like them but there really was no other choice. Would we do it again ? Not a hope in hell's chance. The snp need to get that through their thick ego.

whatever gave you that idea rosesarered? ???

Paddyann perhaps we got the notion that Scotland doesn't want independence from the fact that Scotland voted NO to it in the referendum last time round.Just a thought.

I didn't quite answer your question DJ.
At present I live in England, work brought us South many years ago, but my family and half of DH's family are Scottish, live in Scotland and as far as I know voted to stay in the United Kingdom.

Far North in my humble opinion, SHOUTY CAPITALS are a bit of a pointer towards a rant , whether one disagrees or agrees.

Born and brought up DJ and can trace my Dad's family back to late 1600's.
But now living in what I still consider the United Kingdom. You can live anywhere in the world and still be proud to be a Scot.

Quite so, FarNorth!

Personally, I think it would be bonkers, but what would I know? I'm not a Scot and don't live in Scotland.

Looking at some of the comments on here, I'm not the slightest bit surprised that some Scots would want to be independent of their neighbours.

It's ironic that the same people can't see the irony of the crazy decision to leave the EU, for which they made similar irrational arguments.

Just a passing observation - I've often noticed that when one person believes they are showing conviction in expressing their views, that can often be interpreted as "ranting" by others who do not agree with those views.

If Scotland want a second referendum, a third, a forth or a hundredth one in order to get the answer they want then it is up to them but they need to be told to pay for it themselves this time. The UK has already funded their 'once in a lifetime' Independence Referendum and it should not be asked to pay for more. There is a petition against a second referendum on the parliamentary website, if anyone is interested

Do you live in Scotland, MawBroon?

And paddyann's sort of rant speaks volumes (bad pun intended) about the histrionic type of Scottish Nationalism which I do not share
Not in my name Nicola

Hi paddyann - could you shout a bit louder please - I couldn't quite hear you down here in Yorkshire

And many are Remain voters too!

But perhaps it is not best to feed the posts .....
Blinkered comes to mind

'Little Englanders'

Some posters are Scottish and some are Welsh
Some posters are Scottish and live in England or Wales

I did ask my Scottish friend today what he thought of Ms Sturgeon but his reply was unrepeatable on a public forum.

Heartfelt there, paddyann.

Nichola Sturgeon is right; she was voted in by a big majority on the policy of independence. Anyone saying otherwise shows their ignorance of Scottish politics.

For you to laugh at.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/mar/14/martin-rowson-on-theresa-may-and-forging-brexit-consensus-cartoon#img-1

quite frankly I have never read so much uninformed rubbish in my life...It may have escaped your notice but SCOTTISH people VOTED NICOLA STURGEON INTO POWER knowing full well that the SNP 's core policy is independence...for the same reason we voted 56 MP's from that party into Westminster...so where you all get the notion that Scotland doesn't want Independence from escapes me.The Scottish people in general ..( there will be a minority who are different) DONT HATE THE ENGLISH...We only want to be in control of our OWN COUNTRY.Now imagine you own a business ,its doing really well but your neighbour next door isn't doing SO well,in fact they have rising debts and trade deficits...so they take ALL your revenue and give you a % back with "instructions" on How it should be spent ...and to stick to that budget.THEY'LL spend all the rest on THEIR business and issues .Most of which would never affect your business at all.There you have the problem...the UK is currently in massive debt and its growing DAY BY DAY .Scotland on the other hand has NO DEBT and is the ONLY part of the UK to have a trade surplus..OUR BUDGET BALANCES year on year,anything left over is used to mitigate the effects of Tory austerity...which has never been a necessity .only an IDEOLOGY .Now turn that situation to yourselves...if YOU had to hand over all your revenue to FRANCE ...Now how totally ridiculous is that???? Well it may surprise you but most of us feel the same.Add to the financial issues the LIES told before the last referendum and you might see some reason for our actions.As to the "NOISY DRUM BEATING NATS" yOU MAY BE VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN ONE probllem with public order during our campiagn ...NOT ONE.On the other hand the unionists who descended on Glasgow the night AFTER they"WON" burned flags and threatened passers by .We spoke of HOPE OVER FEAR ,by god the unionists certainly provided the fear.I hope most of you will try to find out some FACTS before putting on this nonsense in future.I'm afraid I had no idea this site was solely for little Englanders ..But hey with Brexit the true colours of most of you have been shown and its NOT a nice sight

Devomax?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/24/labour-constitutional-reforms-federal-uk-scotland

Swhi1 the Canadian federal system is surely just their way of describing a system of devolved power as already applies in the UK. It may be that more powers are devolved - I had a quick look at their structure and it wasn't entirely clear. It was Westminster that set up all the devolved governments, and which has paved the way for mayors in major cities with significant devolved powers. In short, you are wrong to say they can't see beyond the South, and wrong to think that simple federalism will satisfy those in Scotland who want full independence.

I've got to the stage of saying "good riddance". Maceroon bent over backwards bribing them to stay last time - I notice Ms Sturgeon hasn't refused any of that - but enough is enough. If they want to go, let them. I doubt the EU will bend over far to let them join.

We have a similar background, swji1, part Scottish, grew up in NE England with relatives in Canada.
I'm not entering this debate/argument, except to say that I'm on the side of Nicola Sturgeon and I hope she achieves what she aims for.
My main reservation is that she might not find it as straightforward as she hopes ( as TM will find the many complications of disentangling from the EU.)

I have read this thread with interest but it seems no-one has mentioned the idea of having a federal UK (or maybe I missed it with all the passion in some messages!). I am Scottish but live in NE England and this week am visiting some family in Canada. Now the Canadians seem to have got it right - they have a federalist system with most powers devolved down to the provinces but accept a national government for areas such as foreign policy and defence. Where I am staying, in Quebec, they had a referendum over 20 years ago that had a very very close result - but they chose to remain part of Canada. The separatist movement has almost gone away (though not in the north) but the main point is that Quebec, like all the other provinces), has all the powers they want - including tax and benefits. Why on earth can't the UK go the same way? It seems such an obvious way to go if only Westminster would see beyond the south of England....

Yorkshiregel that was the link I posted this morning' (9.02) if anybody wants to read it in full.

In the Kelvin Hall Glasgow there was (not been for a couple of years) a mention to past troubles that were to do with the
Northern Ireland/Scottish link and also the Orange order .
I will probably get slated for mentioning such a touchy issue (but as I am originally from that area I feel I can)
The West coast more specifically the Glasgow area has links with Northern Ireland
And there has been sympathy for both sides
(Think football teams) of the divide.
I am very sorry but I believe that religion plays a part in Scotland's politics .
From memory the referendum ' yes' result was mainly in the Strathclyde area ( and Dundee).
Apologies if I have caused any upset it is just my take (due to personal experience) on the referendum.

Ps Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for