Open Britain - Hard Brexit

cindersdad thank you for that. Yes I do agree, Brexit and all the false promises are beginning to unravel even before the negotiations have started. It can't just be left with a hollow "we told you so" as it would be so unfair to the young of the country.

'A cat fight within the Conservative Party that got out of hand' - Verhofstadt at the EU Parliament today describing the Brexit vote.

Having seen what some people, even on GN, think, I will never share their values and will not be seen as colluding in any way. That's not how democracy is supposed to work.

Not at all, but will leave you to it.

I think that Leavers trying to persuade Remainers not to point out the negatives of Brexit on the grounds that it 'talks the country down' are really just laying the groundwork for blaming Remainers when everything goes wrong.

And that your optimism is completely unfounded.

No idea why, but anything I use an apostrophe in will go wrong once posted.
Try again.......It's possible to talk anything down.

The key to business success is confidence though ( and is essential to all finance institutions.) The divided and angry feeling in the country at large needs healing to give us a boost.It's possible to talk anything down......and then we really would do badly.

The fact that we have a minimal number of trade negotiators added to the fact that trade deals take years to negotiate and agree leaves us a huge time gap during which the UK becomes extremely poor.

No 'confidence' in the world will compensate for that.

Yes, it will be an uphill task, but not one that can't be done.If we ( as a country) have forgotten how to do deals /trade/ negotiate then we will soon learn ( but it hasn't been forgotten!)They key thing is for confidence, that's why it's important to have all the warring/complaining now put behind us and to get on and secure the future.

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(I'm trying to type around 2 cats who insist on sitting between me and my keyboard)

Interesting map on twitter this morning. The current sate of EU trade deals. Those that are currently in place will all be for the UK to renegotiate once we leave. An uphill task, I think

Seems as if the UK will be cosying up to anyone whatever their morals etc.

See Farage is picking a fight as he is inclined to do. Cheap words little sense.

Wonder how Hammond got on in India? Mind you he's got an uphill battle. We currently export a little over 1% to India so a long way to go. Does anyone know whether it is possible to negotiate a good trade deal within the 18 months to Brexit rather than the years it normally takes, and for good reason.

One bit of good news a suggestion of a soft Brexit has been trying to rear its head. The hard right will be busy with their hammers to bang that on its head!!

Love Steve Bells cartoon this morning, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so true.

So we are rejecting the EU with whom our values and outlook is almost indistinguishable, who are all supporters of human rights and respect for all it's citizensand instead busy trying to build relationships with the scum of the earth. Fox busy "sharing values" with someone who has killed 7000 of his citizens in the past year or so.

May "sharing values" with those who are starving and killing citizens of a neighbouring country and who treats half of its population like chattels, whose life is almost entirely dependent on the other half of the population.

Just love it when they say "we are looking after British interests"

May has conceded the difficulty of the immigration issue this morning. God this is soooo frustrating - why didn't people listen??!!

There more than a couple of tens of thousands of immigrants from the Republic of Ireland alone, who are counted in the immigration figures. They have had access to the UK since the 1920s and aren't affected by leaving the EU.

There are also tens of thousands of students from non-EU countries, who pay huge amounts in fees and keep some of our universities afloat financially.

Yes indeed! It was one of Cameron's silly promises, which he must have known couldn't be kept.

I suspect that when David Cameron promised to get immigration down to the tens of thousands it was an off the cuff remark, based on nothing at all. Perhaps he had one too many before he said it???

I don't think that the tens of thousands target is remotely achievable anyway.

www.open-britain.co.uk/cross_party_open_britain_mps_launch_drop_the_target_campaign_on_immigration

As this thread was started about Open Britain, this is the latest.

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I thought everyone knew why we have held on tight to Gibraltar for so long. It controls the entrance to the Mediterranean.

Interested listening to an Indian bod talking about future trade deals with Britain.

He said that most of the Indian companies situated at the moment in the UK are largely there because of access to the EU and they are actively looking at relocating, particularly if the UK gets a deal that does not make trade as easy as it is at the moment.

With regards to trade between India and the U.K. I thought that the Indian chap was very luke warm. It is clear that they see us as being on the back foot and therefore feel in a strong position. Visas will undoubtedly be demanded amongst other stuff.

My Spanish language teacher said that the trouble with Spain holding the Gibraltar rock is that Spain would then control both sides of the Strait of Gibraltar—they control Ceuta on the North African coast already. This could be seen as problematic or as potentially problematic in political and diplomatic terms.

Unfortunately bit by bit and dribble by dribble the warning by us idiot remoaners seem to be coming to fruition. I take no pleasure in being able to say we told you so it is so upsetting