Open Britain - Hard Brexit

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/mar/30/eu-brexit-european-union-brexiteers-boiled-egg-david-davis-liam-fox-boris-johnson-video

Spend a couple of minutes watching this video, 'Lego bricks and boiled eggs'. Listen to DD in particular. These are the designers of Brexit and they can't articulate what it is.

Reminds me of the song...

Three wheels on my wagon, but we're still rolling along.

Paw? Are you sure this is the right road?
Will you hush up? You and your maps.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about the daftest statements in the letter/May's speech, starting with

"Now that the decision has been made to leave the EU, it is time to come together.”

Badenkate, it's not Davis's grin that gets to me, it's the way he plays with his glasses all the time, and looks up into his head to see if there's any memory there that he can dredge up of what he is supposed to be saying. Elder statesman he is not.

Exactly - but still not believed by all!

...but it will be on EU terms!

It is a unfortunate fact but the EU is in a better bargaining position than the UK. It was clear from the beginning of this process that the rules - set by a Brit - favoured the EU and they are the larger stronger group.

Threatening co- operation with security is a bit naff to say the least. While it may well be true that at the moment our security is some of the best it is also true to say that even the best is improved by co- operation with other good allies. The same goes for Policing - co-operation improves detection rates. It would be foolish to cut off our nose when we are causing the rift. We need to have a conciliatory helpful attitude with these negotiations if we are to get a deal which is reasonable at least for the UK - a Gung Ho colonial attitude will not do UK any favours.

So you're saying that if we discovered that there was a plot to create extreme loss of life in a European city after we leave the EU, then we would be justified in not informing that country because as part of our negotiations we had removed the co-operation of our intelligence services from the rest of the EU? Is that actually what you are saying? That you could live in a society that would be prepared to do that?

These are negotiations - not a challenge to a duel at dawn!

Perhaps we are willing to carry them out?
It's our own intelligence services that are superior to anything in Europe after all.
There will be lots of bluff and counter bluff before the end of it all from both sides.
I think it's more a reminder to the EU than anything else.

No roses I would prefer that something as important as international security is not used as a bargaining chip in any Brexit negotiations. There are things you bargain with, and things you don't - and the first rule of negotiating is that you don't make threats you aren't willing to carry out.

Not at all, it may have been a good bargaining tool to make sure the EU leaders take on board the fact that UK intelligence gathering is the best ( which apparently, it is.)
Would posters prefer us to roll over and be kicked before we even start?

What idiots we must look

That inane grin of David Davies is really getting to me! And he's in charge of negotiations? Please tell me I've misread this and somebody else who might have a clue what he's doing is really going to head whoever it is that they've managed to scrape up to negotiate with the other 27 countries negotiators.

But we've made a good start by threatening them with withdrawing from the security set-up. That's the way Theresa, put the boot in - always helps in getting the best out of situations.

twitter.com/jpublik/status/847050915244838912/photo/1

Something else to laugh at.

www.indy100.com/article/cartoonists-around-the-world-react-to-article-50-and-brexit-day-theresa-may-donald-tusk-7655851

Ha ha!

Nice one TM. Not only are EU nationals to be bargaining chips, but it seems our security is also to be bargained over. Not even a veiled threat either, quite blatant. Who wrote that script?

You said you were only going to say it once. I'll forgive you for repeating it, though.

And I said Jezza was 'reasonable and worth listening to' - not good!

Come on djen, I can't go that far

even Jalima?
What am I supposed to read into that?

You just don't know me!!

Barmy, isn't it, Fitzy?

Just goes to show how much voters are influenced by feelings rather than evidence.

Hey, even Jalima said she thought Corbyn was good on Andrew Neil's programme tonight.

I think May has missed her general election chance.

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/03/mays-article-50-statement-now-that-the-decision-has-been-made-to-leave-the-eu-it-is-time-to-come-together.html

These are people who are supposed to agree with her and vote Tory.

Quite liked the foot joke! But more seriously despite all this the polls still suggest the Tories would destroy Labour in a GE. TM actually more popular that Corbyn among those who voted Labour last time!

This doesn't work, either, but it's gratifying to see the number of Tory voters who say they will never vote Tory again.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/03/29/mays-article-50-statement-is-shredded-by-the-social-media/

Trying to cheer myself up, Badenkate. It's not working.