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Excellent news. Sgt Alexander Blackman has his sentence reduced.

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POGS Wed 15-Mar-17 12:47:12

I know from my ' Phil Shiner Thread ' I will find objections to my view but I am so pleased that Sgt Blackman has had his sentence reduced to Manslaughter.

Well done to those who have stood by him and not thrown him under the bus.

I hope he returns to his family ASAP.

I have used the link to the Daily Mail as they have championed his case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4315700/Appeal-Court-Judges-clear-Sgt-Alexander-Blackman.html

Anniebach Sat 01-Apr-17 21:56:35

Thinking of his words Ana they did express hatred, anything else is too dreadful to consider.

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 21:41:23

I'm not sure, judging from what he said I think he did hate this man, but only he knows that. War does breed hatred, that's why it is so dreadful and so destructive.

Ana Sat 01-Apr-17 21:18:29

I doubt he had enough time to feel hatred for the man. He may have had other feelings towards him (after all, he was the 'enemy') but I think hatred is too strong.

Anniebach Sat 01-Apr-17 21:13:23

We can but hope and pray niggle , I wasn't judging the man, just watching the video again helped me realise he must have hated the man, wars feed hate don't they

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 21:03:56

Oh heavens yes, it is annie, let's hope this was the last of these foreign adventures.

Anniebach Sat 01-Apr-17 20:12:20

True Niggly, but still very sad to go down to the same level as the enemy

Iam64 Sat 01-Apr-17 20:06:26

Ah, thanks Ana. It's been a very busy week here at base control.

Ana Sat 01-Apr-17 20:05:21

The article was in Tuesday's Guardian, Iam64. Obviously you missed it then, not today.

Iam64 Sat 01-Apr-17 19:55:53

Thanks for posting the link to the Guardian article daphnedill. I haven't had time to read the paper today (it's sitting on the kitchen table, waiting) so I hope to also catch up with the Gabby Hinchcliffe take on this.

I'd read earlier in the week and heard during a radio 4 interview, that the Blackman's had been advised to leave their home because of the risks from terrorists/avengers. At that stage, Mrs Blackman was saying that as they live in a town with military associations, she felt they took reasonable precautions. That may not be enough once her husband is released.

The problem with the wars British soldiers have been sent to in Afghanistan and Iraq for example, is that they were in the case of Afghanistan, clearly "unwinnable" (whatever that may mean) given its history, Russian involvement etc. Iraq was just plain wrong, as was demonstrated by the demonstrations by ordinary members of our country, agains the invasion "not in my name" was the slogan. I live in an areas with a large Pakistani Muslim population and it seemed obvious to me that many of my neighbours would see the invasion of Iraq as an attack on Islam, as well as well, just plain wrong. It was clear at the time that it would take generations to undo the harm caused in our own country, never mind in Iraq itself. This of course, is history. Nothing we can do to change that, or its legacy. What we can and should do, is to offer compassion and practical support to the military sent out there, poorly equipped to do a job that they knew most of the people at home disapproved of. A bit like Vietnam?

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 19:43:56

That's true annnie, but after what he had witnessed maybe a bit understandable. Let's face it the Afghanistan involvement was a complete mess to say the least as were all our Middle East adventures! Let's hope we've learned some lessons and won't let ourselves be drawn into foreign situations again.

Anniebach Sat 01-Apr-17 19:30:31

It's so sad , this soldier , regardless of his mental health , killed the injured man through the same emotion as the taliban kill - hatred

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 18:12:46

Ouch!!?

Jalima Sat 01-Apr-17 17:47:31

It was a straightforward question.

daphnedill Sat 01-Apr-17 17:42:51

Your opinion. Sarcastic and snipey is mine.

Anyway, I have other things to do.

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 17:36:31

I don't think anyone was being rude, just interested!

Jalima Sat 01-Apr-17 17:26:18

Nor me (or my pc)

I wasn't being rude, just curious as I couldn't find it.
I'm sorry if you are in a bad mood, hope it's not GN making you so.

Ana Sat 01-Apr-17 16:57:05

Thank you daphnedill. When I googled it, nothing came up.

daphnedill Sat 01-Apr-17 16:42:59

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/28/marine-a-alexander-blackman-court-martial-appeal-insurgent

Read it yourself!

Some people just can't help being rude, so it seems. Anyway, I'm not in any mood for this kind of thing.

Ana Sat 01-Apr-17 16:36:18

Yes, are you daphnedill? I can't find any reference to this anywhere either...

Jalima Sat 01-Apr-17 10:18:58

Are you privy to informtion that the rest of us cannot access, daphnedill?

Jalima Sat 01-Apr-17 10:16:49

What, even his mother?

Why? Would they be under threat from pacifists?

daphnedill Sat 01-Apr-17 10:11:05

I realise that comments by trolls don't represent a cross section of opinion. However, such comments are widely read by some groups of people. They have been a common feature in the history of so-called lone wolf attacks. They do influence people and sometimes legitimises opinions. Unfortunately, some of these people will take action.

I understand that Sg Blackman and his family have been advised to move home and assume new identities for their own safety.

sunseeker Sat 01-Apr-17 10:04:13

It seems to me that W M N has a distinct dislike of the military - tinged with a bit of jealousy perhaps ".....even better paid when retiring at the ripe old age of 40". May I ask what W M N did for a career? Did it involve risking her life from bombs and bullets? Would she perhaps be happier to see all our armed forces disbanded leaving us even more vulnerable? I would however be happier if no member of the services went abroad on a "jolly" to places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

nigglynellie Sat 01-Apr-17 09:54:18

Two excellent posts.

Jalima Sat 01-Apr-17 09:40:09

Excellent post Iam64.
I agree that no amount of training will turn around the lives of some young people or that exposure to dreadful things will not affect them or have an effect on their often very young wives when they return from a tour of duty. Many young families do split or need a considerable amount of help to prevent this happening. But many have married at an extremely young age to get away from home and to get a quarter and relationships may not have survived anyway.
There is welfare available and support from Forces charities which will help families as well - the hardworking members of charities are often ex-service personnel themselves or their families, some in their 80s but still with that public service commitment and unselfish desire to help others.

For many the Forces does provide an apprenticeship, a training which can be a springboard to opportunities in later life which they may otherwise not have got.

Reading remarks from trolls online does not necessarily mean these are the views of service or ex-sevice personnel or thoe of Sg Blackman's supporters - there are nasty-minded malicious people lurking everywhere with the opportunity to state their views online.