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Excellent news. Sgt Alexander Blackman has his sentence reduced.

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POGS Wed 15-Mar-17 12:47:12

I know from my ' Phil Shiner Thread ' I will find objections to my view but I am so pleased that Sgt Blackman has had his sentence reduced to Manslaughter.

Well done to those who have stood by him and not thrown him under the bus.

I hope he returns to his family ASAP.

I have used the link to the Daily Mail as they have championed his case.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4315700/Appeal-Court-Judges-clear-Sgt-Alexander-Blackman.html

Rigby46 Wed 29-Mar-17 18:33:10

The incident took place in Helmand Province during Operation Herrick 14,[6] part of the British effort in the War in Afghanistan. Blackman, of 42 Commando, Royal Marines,[14] was part of a Marine patrol that came across an Afghan fighter in a field wounded by Apache Helicopter gunfire.[1][5][8] Blackman ordered the Afghan to be moved out of sight of the British Persistent Ground Surveillance System,[1] a camera on a balloon above British Forward Operating Base Shazad, Helmand, covering the area Blackman's patrol had been sent to.[9] Video evidence played at the Marines' subsequent trial shows some of the patrol dragging the man across the field and then kicking him.[15] Blackman ordered Marine B and C to stop administering first aid to the insurgent[1] and eventually shot the man in the chest with a 9 mm pistol,[8][15]saying: "Shuffle off this mortal coil, you cunt. It's nothing you wouldn't do to us."[5][11][15][16] He then added: "I just broke the Geneva Convention."[3][17]

I've poster this to remind some of you what actually happened. At the time of the shooting no soldier's life was in danger. He committed manslaughter and whilst I can understand why it was right to change it from murder, he is not a poor innocent. His supporters would do well to remember that - he is not an example of how we would want our soldiers to behave. As we discuss this, we know for a fact that there are many ex-soldiers that no one is supporting - they are mentally ill, homeless on the street so, living in poverty . If he writes a book he could donate the proceeds to the charities that help ex-soldiers like this.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 18:30:26

I wonder what any of us would do under the circumstances? Try to take him for medical aid in the knowledge that you and the men under you would probably be killed in the process, along with the fighter or leave him there to die?

I don't think any of us know what we would do under those extreme circumstances.

Luckygirl Wed 29-Mar-17 18:24:45

there

Anniebach Wed 29-Mar-17 18:24:32

If the taliban fighter had been killed instantly there would have been no crime committed,

Luckygirl Wed 29-Mar-17 18:23:50

It is good that this man has been tried and served some time for his crime. It is also good that he is now released, as recognition of the pressure he was under, for which we will all have sympathy. The important thing is that it has demonstrated very clearly indeed to those countries who have no idea what democracy means that British people do care a great deal about honour and justice. He was not allowed to walk away from this act as the rule of law guides our democracy and what he did was not acceptable.

I am very aware of the personal issues here - his state of mind, his family and loved ones etc. But there is no way that this could have been ignored, as it would have sent out the wrong message to others. When serving abroad military personnel represent this country and an act of cold blooded murder is not to be countenanced.

What a mess for him and for his poor family. Let us hope that he can pick up the pieces of his life and move forward. And let us hope that the proper support services will be thee for him.

It is very undignified when his supporters behave in a raucous manner - but he cannot be held responsible for that.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 18:13:09

You are in a good mood today Rigby !!

The tone of your post did make it sound as it you didn't think he should be offered a good job or be able to make any money now, which, of course, would mean that he would have to live on benefits.

However, if that is not what you meant at all and you now wish him well for the future, then I apologise.

Rigby46 Wed 29-Mar-17 18:05:08

My comment about his getting a job was in response to another poster saying he wouldn't be able to - RTFT before having yet another go at me. Where on earth did that comment about me wanting him to hide away and live on benefits come from? And I suggest that next time you criticise me you might try reading the context of my post before jumping in - right?

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 17:58:44

and the enemy fighter would have been killed too by their own side.

Even more ironic.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 17:58:14

I think they were supposed to take injured enemy fighters through dangerous territory or by helicopter back for treatment - the soldiers could have been killed on the ground or the helicopter shot down by other Taliban in the vicinity.

Strange, really, that if that Taliban fighter had been killed instantly instead of severely wounded none of this would have happened.

Ironic.

Anniebach Wed 29-Mar-17 17:54:13

But Jalima , if the man he shot was dying how could he have killed anyone ? The charge was not shooting the enemy but shooting a seriously injured enemy

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 17:19:22

Had he not done what he did, then he would probably have the deaths of several of his soldiers on his conscience now - if he survived himself that is.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 17:18:27

I did say I hope he gets a really good job; if he wants to write about his experiences that is up to him but I didn't say whether I agreed or disagreed with that, I just said that it is not against the law as far as I am aware.
If he wants to write about it then that could be a cathartic experience but, personally, I doubt that he will, although no doubt the tabloids will be phoning him as soon as he is released. I hope they leave him alone to come to terms with it all, with the help of his wife and family.

Anniebach Wed 29-Mar-17 16:20:18

Because Christine, I am against anyone making money from a crime and what was said at the trials were not sanitised versions.

Christinefrance Wed 29-Mar-17 16:00:17

I don't see why he shouldn't write a book about his experiences Anniebach,. I agree with Jalima and magpie. We send our soldiers out to fight in extreme conditions with apparently little support, we need to hear from them not just a sanitised version.

Anniebach Wed 29-Mar-17 15:39:59

I hope he doesn't write a book,

sunseeker Wed 29-Mar-17 15:33:52

I heard recently on a radio programme that a doctor felt that with the injuries the Taliban fighter had received he would not have lived more than a few minutes anyway, also if a helicopter had been called in to evacuate him to hospital the Taliban would have shot it down and killed more of our soldiers. I am pleased Sgt Blackman will, hopefully, be released soon.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 15:26:23

I hope he gets a really good job Rigby - or would you prefer him to hide away from the world and live on benefits?

magpie123 Wed 29-Mar-17 15:14:01

Pleased he will be released soon. I hope he does sell his story and makes some money for his family. He will have lost his army pension, as well as three and a half years of family life.

Jalima Wed 29-Mar-17 15:01:33

I don't think it's against the law - I think you are not allowed to inherit if you murdered the person you inherited from iyswim

I don't think the rest of a man's life should be wrecked because he acted out of character in a moment of extreme stress which followed a stressful tour - which no-one on here can possibly comprehend -and for which he has paid the price.

Sgt Blackman's wife has behaved in an exemplary way throughout.

Rigby46 Wed 29-Mar-17 14:25:52

And of course he'll get a job - probably a really good one. As well as sell his story - but would that count as benefitting from a crime? I thought you couldn't do that

Rigby46 Wed 29-Mar-17 14:22:28

I saw the crowds outside the court last week - they were noisy, boisterous, blocking the pavement, spelling into the road from the pub, all had drinks in their hands - dignified it wasn't.

Anniebach Wed 29-Mar-17 13:49:42

I have mixed feelings about this case , I didn't like the air punching

rosesarered Wed 29-Mar-17 13:48:24

I didn't see it, but they must be so happy that he will now be coming out of prison.

merlotgran Wed 29-Mar-17 13:45:21

There are quite a few of us on here with military connections so I'm wondering how others felt about the jubilation/celebrations of Sgt. Blackman's supporters outside the court yesterday when the verdict was announced.

I'm really pleased for him, his wife and family but I shuddered when I saw the air punching and raucous shouting.

A little dignity - as exhibited by Sgt. Blackman's wife, would have put the whole episode in a better light.

Jalima Thu 16-Mar-17 21:08:34

I was replying to whitewave's comment that she would not like any of her loved ones to join the forces
Well, of course, no mother really wants her child to join the forces if they are being sent off to hell-holes like that.

But I expect they would be very glad indeed to see someone's else's son or daughter put their life on the line to defend them and their families if need be.