Article 50 trigger 29th March

I wonder what happens with the Channel Islands.

If the wishes of any population are paramount under EU law, then it's a dilemma for Gibraltar, literally between the devil and the deep blue sea - and I know what literally means.

Not quite sure who they will think of as the devil, though, Spain or Brexit.
Should they have a referendum?

Niggly, you are speaking for the whole of Gibraltar, I see. On whose authority?

While it is true that Gibaltarians voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, they have voted equally overwhelming to remain a BOT, and no doubt would do so again, and while this remains the case, I can't see any rapport with Spain whatsoever.

Who on earth said "disregard the wishes of the Gibraltarians"?nn

No I am simply finding it utterly fascinating as to what lengths the hard right Brexiters would go to to get their way.

Hell will freeze over before the people of Gibraltar agree anything or indeed want anything to do with Spain! As I understand it the wishes of any population are paramount under EU law, not to mention the Treaty of Utrecht 1713. No doubt people on here would think nothing of overriding that treaty, and disregarding the wishes of the Gibaltarians, but override one treaty and presumably any others old or new can be regarded in the way in other words not worth the paper they're written on and a country's integrity completely worthless.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/former-tory-leader-michael-howard-suggests-theresa-may-would-go-to-war-to-defend-gilbraltar-a3505126.html

From the Evening Standard.
I wonder what Georgio is going to write in his editorial.

Other pollsters have also found that feelings about the death penalty were the most significant predictor of voting intention in the referendum.

Since June 2016, there has been a considerable amount of research about how people voted and there are definite patterns. Feelings about the death penalty are just one indicator amongst many about people's social values.

The result about the colour of passports is cherry picking and makes a great headline, which I noticed the Sunday Express has used today.

PS. I'm 62 and did O levele maths in 1971. We were the first cohort which used decimal currency in our exams. There was some concern, because all our text books had used £sd, but decimal currency was much easier and we didn't have all those sums about the cost of 12 apples @ 4 1/2d . Nobody younger than I am will have much memory of old currency.

PPS. I thought it was the Spanish inquisition which nobody was prepared for!

Silly buggers! It was mentioned frequently as a potential issue before the referendum...as was Ireland.

Michael Fallon is going to protect Gibraltar all the way. What from? They wanted to stay in the EU. 90% of them voted to stay. They are in an ideal position to stay, as is Northern Ireland.

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None of them prepared for a Spanish claim. Given that Spain is forever after Gibraltar it is astounding. What are they doing?

Ask Howard, not me!
David Davis stood for leadership of the Tory party against Howard, didn't he? Or was that IDS?
Better be careful - I read that in the Guardian today.

I think we have Davis to thank for getting Cameron.

By the way, did you see that Britain First and the EDL had a march on April Fools Day, all 300 of them? 14 arrests.

Not enough marchers for a Yougov poll.

How many arrests were there when 100,000 marched the weekend before?

So would we go to war with the whole of Europe or just Spain do you suppose? It is beyond belief.

Just what we need, another Falklands.
Can't imagine May agreeing with him. She's probably looking for a getout clause now.

Just listening to the news - did anyone listen to that loon Micheal Howard!!! What an idiot. This is the type of hard Brexiter that the more sensible Brexiters need to rapidly distance themselves from.

Read the poll, niggly, then you'll find out. It tells you how many Ukip and how many Labour, etc. It's weighted to reflect the national population, so, no, it's not all EDL or BNP. I don't think there are many of those in Labour or libdems.
There you go again, speaking for "the rest of us". You can't. You can only speak for yourself and those you know about.

Strangely enough, I've never asked anyone if they support bringing back hanging. It's not a normal topic of conversation with me.
That's why these questions get asked in a Yougov poll, because normal people don't talk about them.

I think it's Yougov that has a lot of MPs claiming to use it, Elegran. They have to list it on their register of interests. Some of them do ComRes as well.
If you want to know if your MP does it, go on www.theyworkforyou.com and put your postcode in.

Whenever I read the results of ANY poll, my first thought is "These figures bear no resemblance to anything within my experience. Nobody asked me or anyone I know."

Those who have the time and inclination to respond voluntarily are likely to be those with the biggest axe to grind, and the wording of the questions and the order they are asked can influence the results.

Well, I live in the south and have done so all my life, and I've not met one person including myself who would want the return of pre decimal money or weights and measures come to that. Most people under 50 wouldn't have a clue about £ s d, or lbs and oz's. Even for me they are a distant memory which I certainly wouldn't want back. Nobody I know supports smoking in public places in fact quite the opposite, and I've not met one person who supports the reintroduction of hanging!! So where this poll is getting all this from dj goodness only knows! Maybe the EDF BNP or people like that were the main contributors, but the rest of us most certainly do not want the return of things you have suggested.

Thanks for your permission. It was honestly. And you still haven't read the link, have you?
You've said a lot about the Yougov poll without even reading it yourself.

More people in the South - excluding London - think that pre-decimal currency should be brought back than in any other area of the UK.

Fine, but do it honestly next time!

The thread is about leaving the EU. Of course I want to criticise those who voted to leave.
Did you watch Andrew Marr's show today? Ian Hislop said

"I know the arguments but I’m afraid no, I’m going on. As I keep trying to explain to people who are very, very upset about this, democracy works by people continuing to argue about the issues involved.

“When someone wins an election, the opposition doesn’t say that’s it, thank you very much, we’re going home for the next five years.

“You continue with the argument because it is in everyone’s interests for you to present those points of view.”

I agree with him.

Anya did not put the whole results on, just the bit she wanted to put on. And as I said, I did not put the results on; I just reported from an article I read in the Guardian yesterday. Maybe I should have looked at the Yougov poll first and written that leavers were more keen on all these things than remainers, which would be correct.
Yes, I'll carry on complaining about the way we have been dragged out of the EU by people who want us to go backwards.

Imagine if I were to put up a list of things that Remainers want to be implemented, but hide the fact that a percentage of Leavers want them as well?

Am not disputing any of YOUGOV poll, but rather that you put up a list of things that according to you 'Leavers' want.When taken to task about this by Anya you then come clean and put on the actual poll results ( as Anya did already) can you really not see how very misleading of you it was to do that? Obviously not by your replies.

By the way, more conservatives than labour want all these things brought back apart from smoking in pubs, where they both vote 6%.

Have you had a look at the link?
Have you seen anything interesting on it?
Have you seen anything that surprises you?

Only 9% of Ukippers want to bring back smoking in pubs! Farage hasn't got to them all.

It is very obvious that more leavers support bringing back hanging, etc., than those who voted remain. You can't dispute that, can you?
30% of those who voted leave want to bring back the sort of light bulbs that cause their electricity bills to go up. Go on; argue with that. Only 9% of those who voted to remain do.
Which is the most sensible group?