Article 50 trigger 29th March

It's amusing in a very dire sort of way Penstemmon. Written especially for today I see, but my worry is that some will actually think this is for real - there will be some you know.

I am sometimes amazed at the benefits that Brits and immigrants get. Not actually the money but things like Mobility allowance. On the otherhand child care is free for a few people here and there are reduced rates at Kindergarten.

Yet you hear of food banks and hungry children in Berlin. I live in a small comfortable country town and we don't even sea such things.
There will never be enough done for the very poorest in the land except perhaps in Denmark or Holland. Germany is still paying for reunification.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/why-brexit-is-going-to-be-massive.html This sums up my u-turn

Thanks MargaretX. I am trying to get my head round what we are really learning at the moment, including how other run, or are thinking of running, their benefits systems.

But it isn't 'end of' AB and no amount of saying that will make it so. It's really is, to quote Anna, a very "silly" thing to say and gets us nowhere. Because no one had thought about what coming out would actually look like - and you can lay the blame where you choose with that as nothing will not change that now either - the arguments and discussions will go on for years, and years and years - end of.

Brilliant. No Ana or niggly talking about the EU. They'll leave us to it.
Now do I believe that.....?

I was a remainer , have accepted the result of the referendum , it will take several years before it's sorted, sick of hearing who said what, this government will make the decisions , end of.

Me too Ana!

'Leavers think he walks on water'? This one doesn't.

And don't worry, as I can't face another two years of this sort of negativity I will very gladly refrain from making any further comment and leave you all to it.

Graces both Germany and France and probably many other sin the EU have a system of financing the poor in their societies. Refugees get it as well but not as much, but its not a lot. As far as I know each country does its best and some are more generous than others.The wealthy don't get anything

Mr Juenker is correct.The Uk refugee problem is not the EU's fault After all he relies on experts which Gove etc despised.

It's not as though it's suddenly going to happen in the next week or so...

No, it isn't. And if you were to read the link HMRC are saying they don't have the time to develop the necessary systems.

Unlike David Davis, they have to be prepared for anything, including the UK walking out with no deal at the end of 2 years. Should that happen we would immediately lose all the benefit of the Customs Union and all imports and exports would have to be checked at the borders.

Please, Ana, could you read some of the stuff we link to instead of just saying 'We don't know what's going to happen'? No. we don't but we need to know what can be expected under different scenarios. And our border agencies would be utterly irresponsible if they had not looked at all secenarios and planned for them. (Though strangely enough, our Brexit Minister can say that he has no plan at all for a 'no deal' scenario and Leavers think he walks on water)

How can they be 'frantically trying to sort out the implication of Brexit' when they don't know what it will entail yet?

It's not as though it's suddenly going to happen in the next week or so...

They have neither the staff or resources. All spare staff are frantically trying to sort out the implication of Brexit.

There's a link to the Customs people's concerns on the Scottish Independence thread. HMRC say there's no way they'll be ready.

Well I can't see how it will be quicker if everything is going to be subject to individual customs clearance!

I heard completely the opposite, but we shall see time come.

What about the concerns over customs clearance at Dover? The man in charge of Customs at Dover was interviewed a couple of days ago and said that stacking of lorries on the motorway would be inevitable because until there was an agreement about customs, they would not be able to develop a computer program which could cope, and these tend to take several years to sort out all the problems - remember the problems with air traffic control? His comment was that long delays for customs clearance would become a way of life.

Ah, those pesky Great Crested Newts. Protected under the UK Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. Then the European Habitats Directive 1992. 11 years later...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenage-asylum-seeker-fighting-life-10138344

So - many of the governments strategies for Brexit negotiations seem to have already hit the buffers.

Access to (rather than membership of) the single market: the EU says "access to the single market requires the acceptance of all four freedoms” i.e. there will be no cherry-picking."
"Preserving the integrity of the Single Market excludes participation on a sector by sector basis."
Draft EU guidelines for Brexit rule out starting free trade talks with the UK before "sufficient progress" is made on other issues.

Plus the major intractable problems of Gibraltar and Northern Ireland's borders.

What is left of the government's negotiating strategy???

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/the-leave-campaign-didnt-lie-about-350-million-for-the-nhs-of-course-they-did/

More honest than this one.

Bus with an honest message for a change

There are other opinions out there petra which show the exact opposite. The EU has shown more willingness to address tax avoidance than the UK has.

I'm going out now and will be busy for most of the rest of the day, but I could link dozens of them.

Should have cleaned his teeth after having breakfast anyway. No wonder...