Article 50 trigger 29th March

They did use their vote roses. Ah well,in two years, there will be a million and a half 16-18 year olds to join them and a million and a half people who voted last year will no longer be with us. Time for a new referendum maybe! I'm all for democracy and "will of the people" .

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No, but it's a fact, Jaycee. This was a vote for the future and many of those who voted won't be here.

Unfortunately, there are many unpleasant Leavers, who just don't seem to realise how unpleasant they are.

Brexit Secretary David Davis admits deal with 'exact same benefits' is not a promise

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-david-davis-exact-same-benefits-promise-article-50-theresa-may-a7657426.html

EU laws will still affect British court decisions after Brexit, David Davis admits

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-laws-still-influence-uk-court-decisions-after-withdrawal-david-davis-admits-a7657781.html

Theresa May admits freedom of movement could continue after Brexit

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-brexit-latest-theresa-may-freedom-of-movement-after-leave-eu-a7657111.html

It would be helpful, if senior government ministers could be taken at face value and not deny or wriggle out of what they've said. Thank goodness the EU has decided to be more transparent and publish reports of the negotiations. At least the plebs might find out what's going on.

Jaycee your post with my name in it is a disgrace - you makes it sound as though I have said those words. You know I haven't and I don't know what your game is but it's a disgusting vile slur on me. I also said nothing about the other examples in your post. You've taken my defence of using the word passionate and linked it up to other comments as though I've said them. I don't mind at all been called out for something I've said but I will not accept your weasly poisonous post without defending myself. If you want to bold my name in future link it to what I've actually said - you've clearly been taking lessons from your friend Jalima who attributed two comments yesterday to me which I didn't make.

My apologises. The EU set the rate at 15 percent, so it could be reduced by 5 percent.

Was life so hard before we were well and truly beholden to our friends ?? across the channel?.
Husband and self 1970 had decided to buy a house,plenty of new builds around, obtained a mortgage although interest rates were high myself and husband were in full time employment and our kids were in the school of our choice How many can say that now.
Yes and you saw a doctor the same day you phoned for an appointment
2017 aren't we all doing well? No chance for young folk to buy their own property,schools overcrowded,chance be a fine thing to see your doctor in a week let alone a day The NHS? what NHS?.
Come on Brits, cheer up, where's your fighting spirit.

So lyndie how do you explain our zero rate?

sara what on earth has that to do with thecEU?

The sooner we are free of the EU bureaucratic yoke and it's money sink hole the better off we'll all be to once again live in a sovereign nation responsible for our own laws and destiny. Britain has been a trading nation and standing on our own feet since time immemorial and we will be again unfettered by the restriction of the EU. I love Europe and all it has to offer but dislike intensely the EU, what it has become and the unacceptable power it wields. If anyone wants come to this country, learn our language and respect our laws and culture, then I am prepared to call him brother. But if not then stay away.

No sisters allowed? Shame?

Gosh we did well winning WW2 all on our own didn't we?

I haven't been at all aggressive on here. I have put how I feel . I have not pointed the finger at anyone. I totally understand remainers worries. Either way nothing will be perfect for everyone. But I feel our young need to be given a chance to thrive. I am not thinking about me but my family. I have had 40 years of experience to come to my conclusion which I didn't do lightly. When I voted I didn't know the outcome. It's has not been a conspiracy against remainers. As individuals we went out on the day and voted. I know there are risks but on balance I thought the risk was worth taking for a better future for everyone. Incidentally my husband and I have businesses that export and bring money into the country. So we are doing our bit.

Trouble is since the wonderful world that you remember - I certainly don't remember it being quite so good with 3 day weeks and fuel cut outs and strikes most weeks - the world has all moved on. Technology has become more prevalent, new liaisons have been made and larger trading blocks. Countries are not so anxious to set up agreements with small manufacturing areas. Britain has also lost a lot of skills as so many were not replaced when all the apprentice schemes were closed etc. It will take a long long time for UK to begin to produce as much as it did 40 years ago.
It was not the EU which caused there to be insufficient school and hospital places or enough doctors and nurses but the failure of successive British Govts to invest in people and buildings. The EU has been made a scapegoat - without their funding for road schemes etc the UK would be in a far worse state. The U.K. govt was not keen on showing everyone what the EU was paying for so there were not large hoardings showing their involvement with projects as there always has been on mainland Europe.

Let's reintroduce the slave trade and colonise and exploit those pesky countries in Africa and the Indian subcontinent! Oh, and let's bring back sail boats, bendy bananas and blue passports!

foxie Would you care to explain what exactly you mean by "sovereignty"? Could you give some examples of this "power"?

Which EU nationalities don't respect our culture?

I assume you realise that the EU employs fewer bureaucrats per head than an average county council. The UK has more power in the EU than almost any other country.

And what do you mean by "destiny"? Whatever happens, the UK will have to respond to events in the rest of the world.

If you'd cared about the younger generation, you'd have voted Remain.

And yes I did report it. It wasn't the first time you'd used that technique Jaycee but I let the first one go - more fool me. If you want a lesson in how to comment on what a poster has said, use POGS as your role model. She gives the date and time of the post she wants to post about, quotes from it and then says her piece which I usually disagree with ? Which is very fair

Interested to read that the letter and Mays message in parliament was as much made to the EU as to the hard right Brexiters.

It all boils down to thae fact that she was saying that we are so interlinked and dependent on each other that a no deal -something many of the loons would prefer - must never and could never be an acceptable way forward.

Apparently at the moment we are paying approx £200m a week, but we cannot be assured that this will be reduced???!!! What!

interested to hear so many Europeans who seem convinced that the 48% will grow and grow until they think there will be overwhelming pressure for the U.K. Government to think again?!

There are a few zero rate exemptions.

I too love Europe having spent a lot of time there and accumulated a lot of friends over the years; but like you foxie I detest the EU and can't wait to be rid of it. This is a pity as there was no one more enthusiastic about joining the Common Market than me and my family, so much so that we had an impromptu party in the small village where we lived at that time to celebrate! If we had known then what we know now we would have certainly voted NO! but it all seemed an excellent idea and we believed what we were told, free trade and free movement of people, it never occurring to us what the wider picture was!
Ever been had?!!!
I think Russia and America had something to do with the outcome of WW2! Mind you it is fair to say that we were at one stage completely on our own facing a formidable foe. It must have been super scary!

Zero rate and exemption is entirely different lyndia my question was about zero rate.

In fact it is a brilliant example of how we as an independent sovereign country decided on our vat rate independently of the EU. We argued our case and won. There is a lot of rubbish talked about how the EU ruled.

I worry that the division in the U.K. Is hardening and not improving. The young who voted overwhelmingly to remain can only feel dismay and distrust and watch as we the elderly die out leaving the young to deal with what we have left them. Something they never wanted.

Yes there are some groups you can reclaim the VAT.

The age of the voters was skewed by the bloody fool Cameron. By calling the referendum for June, when most students are in a state of flux ie between halls of residence/student lets and home, many were not registered to vote, and yes, I know they should have sorted it, but if DC had thought about it more, and been less smug confident about winning, and staged the vote for September, then the result would I think have been different. Also, as they are the ones who will be left to pick up the pieces in the future, I think Cameron should have given 16 and 17 year olds the vote. BUT, this is all water under the bridge. My chief worry now is that fool Davis, girning away as it becomes ever more obvious that he hasn't got a clue where to go from here. I certainly do not wish to take myself or my children back to pre EU Britain, what a mess that was and I am stunned by the number of people interviewed, people in Parliament as well as in the street who seem to still believe that 'they need us more than we need them' and that everyone will be queuing up to do business with us. Don't these people read the papers, don't they listen to TV or radio discussions? Making new trade agreements takes aeons and just by wishing it and doing the 'yes we can' over and over does not make things happen. I am proud to be part of the 48% and no, I won't suck it up (disgusting expression). Europe is sneering at us, and I don't blame them.