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Article 50 trigger 29th March

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Ginny42 Mon 20-Mar-17 12:08:21

Quoting breaking news in the Guardian. Davis is quoted as saying...

“The government is clear in its aims: a deal that works for every nation and region of the UK and indeed for all of Europe – a new, positive partnership between the UK and our friends and allies in the European Union.”

Feeling a bit in shock at those words, as at no time have I felt they are at all clear in their aims. The regions of the UK are disaparate with very different needs and fears. The nations of the UK have very different views of what is best for them, Scotland in particular being very forthright in stating their opposition to what is planned. Finally, what can he possibly mean by a deal that is good for all of Europe? Is he cynically saying EU members will be glad to see the back of us?

daphnedill Mon 03-Apr-17 23:33:29

You'll have to wait until the morning Maizie. I've been busy and and am tired at the moment. I think it was from "Britain Thinks", but I've followed so many poll and research sites that my brain has gone to mush. All of them are coming up with same conclusions, but I've forgotten the actual sources. Please remind me if I forget to give you a satisfactory reply.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 03-Apr-17 23:27:07

Daphne where can I find the statistics you quote, please?

MaizieD Mon 03-Apr-17 21:49:00

@GG2

I made that comment on the back of something I read a while ago about analysis of the vote showing that the 80+s tended to vote Remain, but now I can't find the reference!

It is an absolutely incontrovertable fact that the over 65s contained the largest percentage of Leave voters. And,yes; there are so few (relatively speaking) 80+s around that their vote won't make much impact on the overall statistics for the over 65s. But it was the baby boomers who voted the most for Leave.

(I've been trying to work out your earlier post about the David Mitchell article and I honestly can't make head or tail of it, or of the little barney with Jalima that followed it. I think my DD calls it having a brain fart sadgrin)

mostlyharmless Mon 03-Apr-17 21:44:28

I don't think getting into bed with David Cameron did Clegg's reputation any good either. But he does talk sense about Brexit I think. (Yes ghastly sofa Jen)

rosesarered Mon 03-Apr-17 21:30:21

I used to rate him, but not any more.Heard him on the radio sounding off on a conspiracy theory or other and how Lib Dems in the South should vote one way and those in the North another way in the future ( tactical voting) does he really think he is going to get back into power that way.

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 21:28:36

If only he had gone with Labour instead of Tory in 2010, the world would be a much better place.

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 21:26:23

Childish, I know, but that settee is very offputting.

rosesarered Mon 03-Apr-17 21:24:36

What a fool that man has turned out to be.

mostlyharmless Mon 03-Apr-17 20:54:27

Nick Clegg wants unhappy remainers and centrists to back new movement against hard brexit.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/03/nick-clegg-lets-join-forces-and-beat-the-brexiteers?CMP=twt_gu

JessM Mon 03-Apr-17 20:45:22

I still have the odd moment of fantasy in which the 27 say "FFS this is ridiculous. You can "leave" if you want but you've got to stay in the single market and the customs union and stop being so silly about immigration (you know it makes sense!) - because it's you lot that caused all those problems in Ireland and it's you that signed the Good Friday agreement. And we're with Ireland. Here's the bill for our trouble"

daphnedill Mon 03-Apr-17 20:22:01

The mid point has been estimated to be about 50, so the younger baby boomers ie the majority of people below 50 voted Remain. The majority of people over 50 voted Leave.

There were other divisions, the main one being cultural values. Other divisions were about working - the majority of people in work voted Remain; the majority who don't (mainly pensioners and the unemployed) voted Leave.

Other divisions were highest level of educational attainment and contribution to the Treasury. People who pay the most tax tended to vote Remain; those who pay less tax or rely on benefits tended to vote Leave.

Geographical location mattered too. Those living in cities (especially with universities) tended to vote Remain; those in rural areas and small towns tended to vote Leave.

Surprisingly, traditional political affiliations and gender were poor indicators of how people voted.

daphnedill Mon 03-Apr-17 20:12:31

I don't agree that it's irrelevant ninny. Younger people are generally going to have to live with the decision for longer. There are currently about a million 18 year olds who didn't have the opportunity to vote and another couple of million by the time the UK actually leaves the EU. It's probable the majority of them would have voted Remain.

All the polls and research show that younger people tended to vote Remain and that older people voted Leave with people in the middle about 50/50.

There are more baby boomers than any other cohort, which is why Leave won.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 03-Apr-17 19:34:01

Was it the Baby Boomers (1946 - 1966) MaizieD? I would happily have a small bet on them being more equally divided and the older "Silent Generation" voting in greater numbers to leave. I know very few of the very oldest - those born before 1925 - but those I have come across voted to stay. I imagine their numbers didn't make such an impact though.

whitewave Mon 03-Apr-17 18:10:05

Mind you I don't play bowls

whitewave Mon 03-Apr-17 18:09:16

grin even May has seen the funny side of it. What a load of twits they are.

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 18:06:35

By the way, whitewave, I hope you are ready to repel the Spanish Armada.

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 17:00:08

Daphne, you could be gaining more work for the foreseeable future - assuming that you want it.

theconversation.com/how-britains-monolingualism-will-hold-back-its-economy-after-brexit-72244

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 16:51:54

This is why Brexiteers don't want a second referendum.

theconversation.com/should-there-be-second-referendums-ask-duke-ellington-75197

ninny Mon 03-Apr-17 16:48:58

It's irrelevant what age group voted for leave, only that more voted leave than remain.

nigglynellie Mon 03-Apr-17 16:22:05

Why should we talk about it at all!!?

durhamjen Mon 03-Apr-17 16:05:00

And I don't understand it, either. Why should we stop talking about age in two years?

whitewave Mon 03-Apr-17 15:57:25

Blimey that's a bit optimistic isn't it rose 2 years!!!

rosesarered Mon 03-Apr-17 15:18:50

Anyone one think( if they didn't know) grin that anyone between what, 18 and 55 say voted Remain! It certainly was not only (some) baby boomers voting to Leave but a whole raft of age groups.Presumably most of you protesting about Brexit are actually baby boomers, or nearly? This referendum to leave or stay in the EU split age/politics/gender etc.
Happily ( to some) we have now moved on from the referendum, have started the leaving process and will get on with it , albeit taking two years.
When will talking about age ( bit ageist, eh?) stop I wonder, possibly in two years, or will it be more for some?

MaizieD Mon 03-Apr-17 14:52:45

But Mamie. Theresa May has said that it's going to be all right so it clearly will be so...hmm

MaizieD Mon 03-Apr-17 14:48:56

Analysis of the referendum vote showed that it was the baby boomers who tended to vote Leave. The people in their late 80s & 90s who actually lived through WW 2 tended to vote Remain.

Just saying.

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