Article 50 trigger 29th March

I think the gap between the richest and the poorest will increase once we leave the EU.
Many of the safeguards the EU put in for workers are things which the Brexiteers have said they will get rid of - sick pay, maternity/paternity leave safety regulations etc - these it seems all cost employers money and some of them have petitioned for them to be repealed and people like Gove and Fox think getting rid of them is a good idea.

Much of the best legislation the UK has is in EU law and we are so used to it we do not realise - but we will miss it should it be repealed.

Welshwife

" Many of the safeguards the EU put in for workers are things which the Brexiteers have said they will get rid of - sick pay, maternity/paternity leave safety regulations etc"

I must have missed this information.

I am not saying you are wrong but can you provide the information as to who/what/where this has been said please.

Why do some posters believe we will necessarily get rid of anything that's good?

Mostlyharmless

" The EU has offered some protection from being exploited by big business through employment laws and environmental laws. Probably these laws will now be ripped up, or at least weakened."

What is your opinion of the European Union Posted Workers Directive.?

Again you are another poster that makes a presumed assumption the employment laws and environmental laws will be 'ripped up'
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Can I ask why?

Interesting thought, johnofwhixall.

We don't even know what deal the car makers have been offered, apart from the fact that it must involve a great deal of that £350 million per week.

Even if we do a deal I cannot see it particularly favouring the car manufacturers, especially as a great many of their components come from other EU countries, sometimes crossing borders more than once as they are manufactured, so unless we stay in the Customs Union this is going to bite straight away (or are the sweeteners big enough to compensate for customs duties and delivery delays?). Someone (was it May?) spoke happily of the UK developing its own components industry so as to circumvent the tariff and non tariff barriers, but I really cannot see that happening in the space of two years. R & D alone must take far longer, let alone building new plant and training new workers.

I wonder, if most (or is it all?) of our motor manufacturers are foreign owned, would the views of their EU owners (i.e the French) have any influence on post A50 negotiations?

I agree welshwife. Another thing many of us will miss is the EHIC - the European Health Insurance Card.
John I don't think the Government has thought it out yet! To be fair to May and her team, they have been landed with a lot of complicated issues to deal with.

POGS well as I understand it all EU laws will be repealed by the "Great Repeal Bill" during the Brexit process. Then they will be examined in detail by Parliament to decide whether, longer term, they should be passed into U.K. law, amended or just abolished.
The Labour Party think much of the EU employment law and environmental protection laws will be diluted.

Pogs if you did not listen/ read and remember what the leaders of the Brexit campaign were saying that is your fault - I was horrified at what they were saying at the time so suppose that is why I remembered it. It has been reported since - next time I see it in print I will save you the link.

Until it's done, it's pointless to speculate though, the Labour Party may 'think' that, but it doesn't mean it will happen.

Bit too late when it has happened and cannot be reversed!

Will it happen? According to this, if the government refuses to pay what the EU says it should, it could go to the Hague, and the EU will refuse to cooperate. It could take forever for us to come out of the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-divorce-bill-eu-take-uk-court-leaked-strategy-documents-a7641406.html

Mostlyharmless

My post at 22.22 asked , what is your opinion of The European Workers Directive ?.

You say :

"well as I understand it all EU laws will be repealed by the "Great Repeal Bill" during the Brexit process. Then they will be examined in detail by Parliament to decide whether, longer term,i they should be passed into U.K. law, amended or just abolished.
The Labour Party think much of the EU employment law and environmental protection laws will be diluted."
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You state 'ALL' EU Laws ' will be ' repealed by the Great Repeal Bill 'during' the Brexit process.

Sorry but the Great Repeal Bill will come into force 'After' the negotiations and we have left the European Union, NOT during the Brexit process..

That could not happen as until we have officially left the European Union we are still a member and subject to it's rules and regulations.

The government is hoping for / looking to transfer in it's entirety the rules /regulation / laws that we adhere to now and up to the time we leave, depends on how the negotiations fair. Then and only then will the Great Repeal Bill come into force as Parliament will look at the rules / regulation / laws we 'may' wish to change through the House of Parliament and our MP's.

The longer the better in my view Jen! Re workers rights etc. as far as I know there has been no suggestion these will not be retained in full, in fact seem to recall a govt. statement that they will. But what is true is that they will be much easier to remove if a future govt. decides to do so.

jackofkent.com/2017/03/why-the-great-repeal-bill-will-in-truth-be-the-great-whitehall-power-grab/

Welshwife

" If you did not listen/ read and remember what the leaders of the Brexit campaign were saying that is your fault"

What a pity you made a statement and I asked perfectly reasonable question with regard to it.

durhamjen

Good old jack, so good he's said it more than once.

No, he only said it once. I repeated the link because there are a lot of posts in between. It's so good it's worth repeating.
Don't you like experts?

Most of the great British name have long since been consigned to history but there are some low production manufacturers like Morgan which is still owned by a Brit family. Howver if you like intrigue you should read the Wikipedia entry for that great British institution Rolls Royce to understand the complexity of that web that business weave

I see what you mean John. And that's just the public webs, what's hidden we'll never know - or understand.

Pogs every time anything is posted without a link you ask where did it come from or can you give a link - when people consistently give links people complain that they cannot be bothered with links - what are we to do? The things I mentioned were to me so important when I saw and heard them that I find it difficult to understand why anyone would not have seen/heard them and remembered. I always feel as if you are suggesting that I am not telling the truth - if I am unsure I say so or do not post it.

Did you hear the report on Today about data we fill in online about ourselves - quite legitimate sites by the sounds of it - and how at the moment it is protected by EU laws but of course this will be gone. I did not understand all of it and found one person a tad difficult to hear clearly but it seems data is moved in huge chunks between countries for research etc - sounds as if it could well be difficult and expensive for companies/research organisations to be able to access data they need. I dare say there will be a written report somewhere we can read later. I did not get the impression that it was just commercial research as in buying habits etc which would be affected but more important stuff.

WwI didn't hear the programme, but that's what companies such as Cambridge Analytica do. Trump and Ukip have openly admitted they used such data to target potential voters. Quite sophisticated techniques are used to analyse people's search (etc) habits, then they are sent biased (even fake) news stories.

Try this for starters POGS:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-workers-rights-cuts-ministers-margot-james-eu-holiday-a7249716.html

I'm sure there's more if you have more than ten seconds to Google.

Or this...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/feb/22/liam-fox-business-tax-cuts

Or this...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/owen-tudor/eu-referendum-brexit-workers-rights_b_9793384.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/airlines-grounded-and-no-more-x-factor-lords-warn-of-brexit-risks-a7642106.html

This is what I was saying yesterday about the open skies etc but it deals with more than that.