Article 50 trigger 29th March

I'm an Anti-Brexit poster and always have been. I also post on Buzz50 as "Merseymog" where the majority seem to be Pro-Brexit. On Gransnet opinions are much more balanced and open minded. We only have to look at the way the currency and prices have gone since last June to know that the effect of Brexit will not be good.

Article 50 has never been invoked before and once triggered it is impossible to stop, as defined now, and the EU calls all the shots. Both the Commission and the UK Government are reluctant to compromise which will make finding a happy outcome difficult.

The referendum vote was very much in the heat of the moment when most of the electorate did not understand the implications. I feel that if another referendum were to take place now the result could be well be reversed, that is why parliament must have a real say and not let the Hard Line Brexiteers have it their own way.

MaizieD

If 65 people own half of the worlds wealth, how do you think that happened?

It is the way the banks works and how money works and the EU works the same way. It was designed by bankers for bankers.

I think Brexit is right, but it is also a distraction, because while interest rates are so low, the wealthy are able to buy massively more at practically no interest.

People who want to remain can't see the bigger picture for some reason, we all have differnt viewpoints.

I am grateful that we will be out of the EU army plans and not undermining NATO...but am dismayed to know that people will be marching about shouting again, about the wrong thing!!!!!

The wealthy are what we should all be shouting about but let's keep marching about Trump or Brexit because it makes us feel as if we have done something.....while clutching our phones made by slaves, wearing blood diamonds or clothes from a sweat shop somewhere.

Globilisation is a massive problem.........EU is on that same path, wealth for few, poverty for many.

Quite honestly the standard of some nurses and doctors, we'd be better off without them anyway, drug pushers for pharmaceutical companies and doctors so greedy and dentists in the UK.

It matters that we are all in the grasp of some very few powerful people, if you can't see the connection with EU and that situation then maybe you could consider this......Tony Blair wants to be EU president and wants a think tank to make us remain......a war criminal, a man mired in every sort of scandal. Branson who does not live here wants us in.....

That is what the EU is..........I can leave and never look back.

How we will fare depends a lot on us but who knows what the future holds ever?

The EU is different already and worse than when we voted out, be brave see the bigger picture.

radicalnan your argument just isn't true. The UK will remain in the grip of the very rich, In fact the very rich will probably make more money as inflation bites and the pound falls. The poor will suffer the rich will make money from it. We have a government that is controlled by rich and powerful people. At least some of the countries in the EU still have active and powerful socialist parties.

I agree Trisha. The EU has offered some protection from being exploited by big business through employment laws and environmental laws. Probably these laws will now be ripped up, or at least weakened.

Sorry - Trisher.

That is what us remoaners are keen to ensure doesn't happen. The ordinary worker should not loose what good they have gained. It has nothing to do with hoping Brexit won't occur. We accept that the insane are in charge of the asylum

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Hasn't Michael Gove got a childish signature?
Particularly for an ex-education minister.

Sorry, radicalnan, I can't see how making the UK considerably poorer helps in any way to achieve your objectives.

TBH, I don't think a great many people actually share them. I think if they had we would have been able to achieve a fairer distribution of wealth in the UK even though we are in the EU. Other countries have managed it. In fact, Sweden (in the EU is it not?) has the most equal distribution of income whereas the UK ranks 25th in the EU 28. We could have done (and were doing) much more to narrow the gap if the political will in the population at large had been there.

Cindersdad You say that the UK Government and the EU Commission are reluctant to compromise, but.....negotiations haven't even started yet! There is bound to be some compromise, but give them a chance.

The triggering of Article 50 will be merely the start of a long and hard-fought process. Don't rejoice too soon, it's all to play for and it could end with no deal. What then?

Will you still be admonishing us to cheer up and stop being so gloomy? Heaven preserve us from that!

Hasn't Michael Gove got a childish signature?

What a puerile comment...

Well it clearly made you grin ana

Only at the 'pot/kettle' aspect, whitewave.

It made me grin too ww it just seemed so...random and odd to say that.

No Ginny do feel free to be as miserable as you like.

The inequalities in the distribution of wealth in this country has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU radicalnan and you know it. The taxation policy is set by the UK government, not by the EU. What has been imposed by the EU is many of the employment rights which you are so suddenly a supporter of; rights like maternity leave, paternity leave, rights to return to work after maternity leave and all those other regulations imposed by those meddling Eurocrats which so many people hate. Do you honestly, honestly think that the UK Conservative government will suddenly decide to make the taxation system fair once we are no longer shackled to Europe? Will they suddenly abolish zero hour contracts? Of course they won't. We will of course be free from all the other troublesome regulations like blue flag beaches, just like the good old days of the 1950s which so many people for some bloody reason want to return us to.

Have you two had and nice rattles spoiled lately?

ana and rar

Sorry, that doesn't make sense ww

Eh? Perhaps you'd like to rephrase that, whitewave, as I have no idea what you mean.

Oh come on, saying that Gove has a 'childish signature* is a peculiar comment to make and has no relevance to anything at all.Maybe that's why it's funny.

Did you look at the link?

How can you say pot/kettle, Ana?
Have you seen my signature?

I want to ask a couple of question thats not being answered by the pro brexit people like Davis

Many big industries, I think specifically at the moment of a big car manufacturer based in the UK, are owned, almost exclusively by foreign investors.

It has been said that the negotiators must have the resolve to walk away from the table without a deal at all

We have all seen how predatory overseas investors work when cadburys we consumed by the giant kraft

So If the negotiators should walk away and consequently tariffs are imposed do we really expect overseas shareholders to adhere to any deal formerly reached between the UK board and the British Government
Wont they just consider their returns and vote to relocate those businesses leaving many places, some that voted almost unanimously to leave without, their core employment Whilst rich people like Davis will always be fine, as will most of his colleagues

So whats the plan if the negotiators walk away

and why wont they say