The far right and Russia

I think that Banks is the most worrying person out there! I followed a link yesterday which explained how he planned and executed winning the Brexit vote and in effect how he intends to manipulate the politics of UK so that he gets to basically run the UK too how he wants! I imagine it was a link that Jen or WW posted. It was so full of info which interesting but was also scary really.
Then this morning I read an article about USA since Jan in the NY Times - that gave little confidence - add to it Brexit and Gibralter and we have such changes.

Jalima - yes I'm out of touch, partly because I don't want to know.

The 'far right' in the UK now seems to include Michael Howard and our "Defence Secretary" Michael Fallon, who appears keen on starting a war with Spain over Gibraltar.

So, are we in the UK, now classed as being overrun by a less civilised, more confrontational 'popular politics', or is it a re-run of "Victorian Values" and gunboat diplomacy.

Banks, Farage and the like might well have been classed as "Fifth Columnists" during previous wars in Europe.

I despair about this country - statements from our political masters in May's regime are just following the uncivilised, rabble rousing rhetoric of rags like the Daily Mail, Sun, etc.

I would say at present, that we have a chocolate teapot's chance in hell of "unifying" the UK in the present climate, and the results and political actions following the Brexit and Article 50 trigger have massively increased instability in Europe.

The UK has been the 'enfant terrible" of Europe for years, and we will clearly remain so, led by May, Boris, Fallon, and the likes of Duncan-Smith sniping from the sidelines.

Just read through that piece on Banks in the Guardian that daphnedil described, and found this gem:

"Even Leave.EU was set up by an offshore company. It’s the offshoot of STM Fidecs, which the Observer reported was incorporated in Gibraltar."

Maybe that's why Michael Howard, and that prawn Fallon have implied warring with Spain over it? After all, I'm sure Gibraltar's offshore financing operations and casinos are integral to Brexit and "getting our sovereignty back" aren't they.

radicalnan I think you've missed the point. Of course money is money, but it is the intention BEHIND it that is important and worrying. Banks, Bannon etc. are not some benign liberal democrats, in fact democracy is not something that they necessarily feel strongly about, nor are they liberal in the traditional western sense. They are an elite that are fighting to get into power and will manipulate and lie their way into office just as they have done in America and Brexit.

Lies, damned lies and politics...!

Thanks - very interesting

This all seems like Fake news to me, especially if the Guardian is involved.

You can't say that! Not about the sacred Guardian!!! You'll be cast out never to return!!!

Oh no Marieeliz has said the unsayable, fake news in the sainted Gaudian. I hope you have a robust tin hat, your going to need it.

I disagree with every comment on here. I don't care who is bankrolling whatever as long as they bring down the corrupt EU.

To be replaced by an even more corrupt élite? Is this some form of masochism?

Politics has always been bank rolled by those with vested interests, but this corruption of UK elections/the referendum by powerful and wealthy individuals trying to put governments in power which suit them, is a bit more worrying.

Moreover, Banks shows such arrogant contempt for the Electoral Commission. Asked whether he was worried about the investigation into Leave.eu, Banks said: “I don’t give a monkey’s about the Electoral Commission.” Nice man.

Billionaire megalomaniacs are a danger because by determining the outcome of elections they are ripping democracy to shreds and I thought we were very much concerned about democracy in the UK. That's what I was led to believe was a huge influence in people wanting power returned to Westminster.

The notion of the 'will of the people' goes out of the window then in light of the degree of manipulation by Banks.

It seems big money currently has the most sway in this country, it's certainly not the millions with less than £100 in the bank, who will ultimately pay the price for this lunacy.

Haven't seen Murdoch's name in all this. Murdoch and Fox News are in on it.
When Farage and Gove met trump, he was there.

This was in the Guardian.

"The letter said this evidence of the “immense and outsized power” of the Murdochs was central to Ofcom’s public interest test, which states that the media regulator must “prevent any one media owner, or voice, having too much influence over public opinion and the political agenda”.

Fox’s bid to snap up the 61% of Sky it does not already own would give Murdoch control of Sky News and pay-TV operations in the UK, Germany, Austria and Italy.
Analysis Ofcom has much to mull in assessing Fox as 'fit and proper' to own Sky
His ownership of UK news media also includes the Times, the Sunday Times and the Sun as well as radio group TalkSport, which he controls through a separate company, News Corp.

The letter asserted that “this would give them more control over the viewing and reading habits in our country than any other provider, apart from the BBC”."

Who has the most clout, Murdoch or Banks?

Good post Ginny! I must admit that I find it worrying, when people are given the evidence about what's going on, but choose not to believe it. I just hope to goodness we don't all pay the price for what's happening. I have never felt so concerned about the future of this country.

I've posted this quote before, but I feel strongly that it needs repeating:

"The road to Auschwitz was built by hate, but paved with indifference." (Ian Kershaw)

I just hope enough people take heed.

Does make you despair, doesn't it daphne, that no matter how much the authorities are told, they seem powerless to do anything about it.

Banks must have said something incriminating in what he has said. Why can't he be questioned? What he has done must be electoral fraud.

www.conservativehome.com/ukip-watch/2017/04/arron-banks-and-the-observer-have-a-shared-interest-in-making-brexit-all-about-him.html

This article sounds as if it was electoral fraud. Of course, the Tories want everyone else to have done the same as them.
The electoral commission is going to be rolling in money soon. They'll be able to fund their own party.

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/how-a-us-pr-company-conned-uk-voters-into-voting-for-brexit/

Look at the photo on here - after reading it, of course.

Just been reading some of Banks twitter stuff. He's so vile.
Pleased I don't use twitter. If he has such power, why does he need to be so nasty to people?

DJ I actually prefer to avoid bloggers with an agenda. I try to get to the source of any information. I spend time reading foreign media and I am convinced the that there are supra-national influences, of which the British public are not aware.

I've read all the propaganda about "élites" and I know that some of it's true. My own grandfather was one of those people and I know that decisions are made behind people's backs. However, I don't believe that those people had malevolent intent.

However, what we're now experiencing is just another branch of the élite. They couldn't give a fig about about the people they're exploiting, because all they need is the votes. They will do anthing they can to undermine and critise the establishment.

Just think! I appreciate people are unhappy about the current establishment and they have good reason to feel as they do. However, to jump ship and believe in a bunch of total charlatans is plain folly.

Putin is a clever operator. He would love to create divisions and uncertainty in the West. It appears he's succeeding.

Please wake up, people, to what's happening!

But what can we do about it?
Just pray that the other EU nations reject or put an embargo on all TM's plans.

Nigel Farage imo should have been given in Honour in the last Honours list but he wasn't. How come he didn't get one but Mrs Cameron's hairdresser did?

Our country would no longer be Britain if we had carried on. We would have been wiped off the map by Brussels who cannot even decide which language they should speak. Your children a and grandchildren would be made to serve in this European Army that they are pushing for. Thank God the UK voted OUT!

What does this have to do with Russia and the alt-right élite? Have you even understood the implications? Are you suggesting that you would prefer this élite to the one we have?

I disagree with every word you've written Yorkshiregel.

He has a very ambitious Russian wife, I knew her a few years ago. Nothing got in the way of what she wanted!