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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

varian Sun 23-Apr-17 19:31:44

I agree mcem. I really appreciate links, especially from dj who directs us to sites we may not know. The more information the better.

Welshwife Sun 23-Apr-17 19:30:44

Google - What has the EU done for us- or similar SAAK and you should get some answers. As Mcem says we post the links when articles are long or we know many people will not be bothered to read the articles. It is now too time consuming to give you all the reasons - we do all have another life!

mcem Sun 23-Apr-17 19:22:39

As far as I can see, those who frequently post links do so as a result of fairly extensive reading. Their links are helpful to anyone who wants to follow an argument through. Equally they can be and are ignored.
To expect them to spoonfeed articles to those who don't/ won't/ can't read the linked articles, by providing précis is asking too much.
There's also lots of intelligent discussion available if you sort the wheat from the chaff.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 23-Apr-17 19:09:25

Id like them in some sort of readable form, it get's lost in links. Could you tell me then why you want to stay as she's not around at the moment.

Welshwife Sun 23-Apr-17 19:07:58

Jen has given her reasons a number of times while these threads have been going on. A number of us have the same or similar reasons for wanting to stay.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 23-Apr-17 18:49:19

Id just like to you tell me durhamjen as i got lost in all your links.

durhamjen Sun 23-Apr-17 18:47:16

CBA, saaki.
If you don't know by now why I want us to be in the EU, you never will believe anything I say.

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 18:40:01

Of course I'm not - that's what a forum is about. Yes I had noticed that's why I was surprised at your remark.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 23-Apr-17 18:38:44

grin Love a strong woman.

rosesarered Sun 23-Apr-17 18:36:24

And you are not backward in coming forward yourself ww grin and most of us like our 'two pennyworth' on here ( or had you not noticed?)

nigglynellie Sun 23-Apr-17 18:35:52

Hear, hear![anticipation!]

rosesarered Sun 23-Apr-17 18:34:53

Yes varian Emily Thornberry is getting wheeled out all the time.

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 18:34:38

Blimey rose if you don't know by now I would worry about your short and long term memory -you are always keen to bung in your two pennyworth to dj

rosesarered Sun 23-Apr-17 18:32:24

And it would be nice if durhamjen told us.

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 18:26:05

That's told you dj grin

stillaliveandkicking Sun 23-Apr-17 18:21:56

In your own words too rather than all this "armchair" politics that you seem to love. Keep it simple due to me being a normal working class lass.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 23-Apr-17 18:20:15

Mores to the point now Durhamjen, why do you want to be in the EU. Instead of constantly throwing up links to this and that. Tell me why?

durhamjen Sun 23-Apr-17 15:56:31

I know who will agree with this man.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/tony-blair-vote-tory-or-lib-dem-where-they-are-open-minded-on-brexit

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 15:53:17

I thought her aim was to support MPs of any flavour who are willing to stand up and be counted if they thought that a particular area of Brexit would cause severe damage to the UK?

daphnedill Sun 23-Apr-17 15:19:04

You're right Maw. Ooops! I was obviously tired (my excuse anyway). It was probably one of my dud edits, when I change the sentence round,but confuse myself. Doh!

There's no way that Corbyn will be PM, so I don't think anybody needs worry about that. It concerns me far more that the Conservatives have a huge majority and won't be challenged on anything - Brexit related or otherwise. At least one prediction is that the Conservatives will win at least 10 seats in Scotland.

Ukip is practically dead and there's evidence that Ukip supporters are now supporting the Conservatives, so May can't become too soft. Most of them came from the Cons in the first place, but some formerly voted Labour. That's one of the reasons the Cons are now polling so high. The Conservatives are losing some of their more centrist supporters to the LibDems, especially the ones who voted Remain.

Miller's aim is to keep the Conservative majority low.

varian Sun 23-Apr-17 14:45:35

I've not noticed any of Corbyn's bunch of merry women looking very merry recently - certainly not Diane Abbot or Emily Thornberry who keep getting wheeled out to defend the indefensible and explain the inexplicable.

Jalima1108 Sun 23-Apr-17 14:34:40

Yes, we leave a legacy to our heirs who could possibly also be our descendants.

Well, that is the logical thing to do!

Kakistracy rules! it will do if Corbyn ever became PM with his bunch of merry women.

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 13:46:32

No fitz the EU has been running this system with modification since WW11. The rules are what they are. May is trying to introduce something entirely different.

Fitzy54 Sun 23-Apr-17 13:24:32

I have also just read it. Much of it makes sense, but I thought his reference to TMs "tough negotiating red lines" was a bit rich. As far as I can make out the EUs negotiating position is nothing but red lines!

whitewave Sun 23-Apr-17 12:57:01

welsh just read the article sad