Brexit all done and dusted?

Ok saak so in effect you are saying that we should leave - full stop?

You can't leave anything saak without paying for things. if you have run up a bar bill at the club you have to pay. We will have to pay the amount we are already committed to for agreed projects.
Of course we won't get any benefits whatsoever now, so all the things that might once have been financed from Brussels won't happen. A disaster for many including Heritage, Building, the Arts and for the poorer areas of the country.

Not sure what you mean welsh? I mean't no trade restrictions from the EU, of course we have to abide by each and every countries laws whom we trade with.

No paying stupid amounts, once you leave a club you leave.
No more dictatorship from Brussels or France.

There's probably far more but these are my main reasons for getting out of a club that I don't want to be in.

Why should we get no restrictions on trade? - countries outside the EU do not get that.
Eire has realised that people trading on EBay with the U.K will need to be doing it on the same footing as they do with USA and China at the moment with regards to VAT and import/export tax.

No free movement.
No European court.
No trade restrictions.

saak interested in what you mean by a hard Brexit

I totally disagree with the statement that our standing in the world has been diminished. I think everyone is waiting to see what will happen before leaving the EU themselves.

I also want a proper leave, which I guess has been labelled a hard brexit.

We are leaving due to very just and valid reasons.

I am also 100 percent behind Theresa May as that is her name. I find calling her names such as Maybot pretty foul.

Brexit has takern a back seat in the election debate. Perhaps that was Maybot's intention, to win and then tell everyone she had a mandate for a hard Brexit.

This article shows that the EU have not been asleep over the past few weeks.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/brexit-transparency-tool-and-europe-using-it

" The Office for Budget Responsibility indicated last year that cutting immigration to below 100,000 by 2020 would cost the government around £8.7bn a year by 2022. Theresa May, with an obsession bordering on monomania, has committed to this immigration target with a vengeance. She has not committed to saying where the money will come from.

Also, the manifesto confirms Britain will leave the single market and customs union. This will almost certainly have a significant economic cost, for the country and thus for the government. No attempt is made to calculate the impact of this on public funding. Trust Theresa, is the message. Strong and stable. Think of England.

Does it matter? Well, if you understand government finances, no - Britain's deficit obsession looks absurd, given that the original Conservative aim of eliminating the deficit has now been pushed back from the original 2015 deadline to a whole decade later. "

From this article

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/05/18/the-tory-manifesto-is-an-uncosted-shambles

Last year the whole country was split down the middle by the EU referendum. David Cameron was responsible for causing the damage because he thought he would easily convince the majority to vote Remain and underestimated the huge resources and forces that were put into the Leave campaign by people who did not have the best interests of this country at heart.

We have yet to see the extent of the fallout but there is no doubt that there has already been huge damage done to the United Kingdom and much worse is to come.

Our standing in the world has been diminished. Other civilised countries see us as a laughing stock, but the future looks even bleaker as the Tories seem almost certain to be re-elected with a Prime Minister who gets her instructions from the editor of the Daily Mail.

The only hope we can have is for enough voters to understand the dangers of a hard Brexit and vote for whichever non-Tory, non_UKIP candidate has the best chance of winning in their constituency.

saak

Thank you rosesarered . I think people have the misconception that I'm either pissed or out to do some sort of harm. When in reality I work crazy hours and am very straightforward.

Some people just don't read the message, FarNorth.
You did, and saw the point. Thanks.

Much better to have talks in the open so we all know what we are getting into - or out of.

"Well done, EU." referred to the talks not being in secret. What's wrong with that?

The bullying that I see on the political pages is certainly not from saak who puts her views in a fiesty and succinct way, with no personal jibes at others.

We will be leaving the EU no matter which Party gains power so why not hope for the best deal possible for us.The way some talk ( 'well done EU'etc) is odd, who wouldn't want a good outcome for the UK? Seeing that we live here, and our children and grandchildren too.

Well done, EU. They are not going to allow the talks to be in secret, as May wants.

www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-16/brexit-talks-can-t-be-secret-eu-says-in-push-for-transparency

George Monbiot says that the way Brexit was bought would be seen as corruption in other countries.
I agree with him.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/taking-back-control-trade-policy

No chance of us taking back control if Maybot carries on the way she is going.

*stillaliveand kicking*: in an earlier post you referred (scathingly) to "arm chair politicians that know only what is fed to them" - are you not one of these yourself?

What has struck me today, is the fact that so many warned that the Trump election was going to end in tears and were told that they were scaremongering - ring any bells!?

Brexit how many have warned that it could all go pearshaped? How many said "scaremongering"?

Im a great "team player" daph but also an individual. Sometimes "clubs" don't work anymore and this is one that doesn't. I also disagree that the EU has any kind of "democratic" system in place, you only have to look at their reactions to see this or are you in denial?

Bullying?

Fear of what? No. Because it's best for the UK.

You always were British. The EU is governed by its member states, including the UK. The EU has a more democratic system of governance than the UK.

I assume its because you don't have a good case that you resort to attempts at bullying.

Have you always been a bad team player?

The EU is governed by who? Brussels? It's bloody time to break free. I'm so proud of my democratic country to do this. I love being British again.