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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

Anniebach Mon 17-Apr-17 22:32:05

The government got the message the morning following the Brexit vote surly?

POGS Mon 17-Apr-17 22:21:27

Varian 19.18

" Do not waste your vote on Tories or Labour who seem to have abandonded their principles and acquiesced in this "will of the people" absurdity."

That's something Farron and Clegg would say also.

The Liberal Party promotes this:-

" all citizens shall have the right to think freely, to speak freely, to write freely and to vote freely;

I think the ' Liberal ' Party should change it's name if it cannot even accept 'the will of the people' is nothing more than an absurdity.

Cunco Mon 17-Apr-17 22:15:59

I think this too is interesting on the subject of our Parliamentary Democracy and the 'will of the people'.

'The Parliamentary democracy we have developed and established in Britain is based, not upon the sovereignty of Parliament, but upon the sovereignty of the People, who, by exercising their vote lend their sovereign powers to Members of Parliament, to use on their behalf, for the duration of a single Parliament only — Powers that must be returned intact to the electorate to whom they belong, to lend again to the Members of Parliament they elect in each subsequent general election.' Tony Benn 1975

Welshwife Mon 17-Apr-17 22:12:07

Tactical voting is what Jen is advocating - as is being suggested by other groups to send a message to the Govt.

POGS Mon 17-Apr-17 22:09:47

Durhamjen 18.58

Am I correct in thinking you are advocating 'NOT' voting for the Labour Party in the Local Elections.?

I know you have championed voting for various other parties rather than Labour over the years but I thought having rejoined Labour you would be fully behind Labour this time.

Cunco Mon 17-Apr-17 21:39:16

That's interesting, Varian. The 'will of the people' is an absurdity, so vote Liberal Democrat!

I've voted for several parties in my time but never Liberal Democrat, partly because, when I have found myself in opposition to their views on the EU or Keep The Pound, I haven't found them very Liberal or Democratic.

Time was, of course, when I voted the same way as Jeremy Corbyn on the EU. Does anyone happen to know if Dianne Abbott also voted Leave in 1975?

FarNorth Mon 17-Apr-17 21:07:43

Not only the LibDems, varian, unless you are only referring to English politicians.

Anniebach Mon 17-Apr-17 21:03:36

As someone who has to attend health and safety days I will say again, that hat was not a safety helmet .

Jalima1108 Mon 17-Apr-17 20:38:08

Apparently the side of the head is more vulnerable than the top so the hats seem fairly useless to impacts from the side.

(Been watching too much Line of Duty etc)

Jalima1108 Mon 17-Apr-17 20:35:39

Corbyn and trains don't mix!!

Watch the steel toecaps anniebach
Ouch!

Anniebach Mon 17-Apr-17 20:32:08

Best Corbyn learns not to have photo shoots on trains, just say as he did to the select committee when asked about calling Hamas his friends - with hindsight I was wrong.

Stick to your allotment Jez , avoid trains, female reporters - they can ask questions which make you feel you are being harassed , oh and glass doors grin

varian Mon 17-Apr-17 19:18:05

Whether it is local council elections or the Gorton by-election, if you want to make your voice heard vote for the Liberal Democrat candidate. Do not waste your vote on Tories or Labour who seem to have abandonded their principles and acquiesced in this "will of the people" absurdity.

So many politicians are going back on what they really believe to be true- that leaving the EU will do untold harm to our country. Only the LibDems are willing to stand up for what they believe.

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 18:58:32

It's possible to vote for Europe in the local elections on 4th May. Vote for a candidate who supports the idea of the EU, rather than Brexit.

neweuropeans.net/vote-early-vote-local-vote-european-4-may-2017

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 18:13:55

skwawkbox.org/2017/04/17/young-constituent-takes-blenkinsop-to-task-in-remarkable-open-letter/

Ana Mon 17-Apr-17 18:01:24

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted! grin

durhamjen Mon 17-Apr-17 17:59:48

The woman behind him was wearing one, too. Are you going to criticise her for wearing one, or him because there is a woman getting off the train behind him?
He's probably wearing steel toecaps, too, but they didn't take photos of them for you to get all hot under the blue collar about!
Quite pathetic, some of you.

rosesarered Mon 17-Apr-17 17:00:20

Is Jeremy doing a bit of modelling now?grin
If you want to get ahead get a hat!

Ana Mon 17-Apr-17 16:42:00

Ah! A 'protective' baseball cap...grin

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 16:37:15

I've just noticed the comment under this picture:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-put-baseball-cap-10221742

Suit: model's own Model?

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 16:33:41

Maybe they're "guest hats"! Maybe they're disposable, in case the guests have nits!hmm I don't think they're a fashion statement.

Ana Mon 17-Apr-17 16:28:47

Yes daphne, but look at the first photo - the man in the black baseball-type cap seems to be some kind of worker. All the 'hard hats' are blue.

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 16:25:37

Protective caps don't need to be hard helmets:

www.ktpprolog.com/index.php/products/head_protection/bump_caps/u_cap.html

I didn't even realise that politicians make Easter messages until this year. They should leave it to the Archbishop of Canterbury?

daphnedill Mon 17-Apr-17 16:13:22

They're wearing goggles too. Here's anotherpicture from the same series with yet another person wearing a cap/hat.

Anniebach Mon 17-Apr-17 15:46:13

Thank you Ana, working in a building firm I do know a little about hard hats, and those hats do not come under safety helmets so perhaps to protect from dust grin

Niggly, if it gives you a chuckle then all for the good

nigglynellie Mon 17-Apr-17 15:24:27

An April opinion maybe? Well there's a thought!! anni, you are perfectly at liberty to mention the 'cap' as much as you like? It always makes me chuckle, so that has to be a good thing!