Brexit all done and dusted?

Didn't stop him though eh dj ?

I don't see anything in Alastair Campbell, but you must agree he proves the point in both instances.

I think that Corbyn's message was a good one and spoken to all the people. Haven't heard Farron's yet so can't judge.

Alastair Campbell said "We don't do God," and Blair was told by his advisers not to use the phrase God bless you at the end of his speech.
That is sort of demanding that religion and politics be kept separate.

DJ

Sorry but anytime Alistair Campbell is rolled out by a poster to prove/make a their point I wonder what the heck they see in him.

Nice to know Rigby you think Corbyn, Farron and May are ALL cheap, cheap, cheap for making Easter Messages. Personally I don't have a problem , each to their own I guess.

You don't recall that? Lots of people did at the time, I recall. Just shows we remember what we want to remember.

He did indeed Jalima , and I don't recall anyone demanding that religion and politics be "kept separate " then. Must only be Theresa May who should keep her religious views to herself.

Blair certainly 'did God'.
As did Bush
Both used God to justify the Iraq War.

Excellent post Cunco, well said.

"Reacting to the message, Alastair Campbell, who famously said when working for Tony Blair that “we don’t do God”, suggested May should tread carefully when linking her faith to the political challenges facing the country. “I think even vicars’ daughters should be a little wary of allying their politics to their faith,” he said. “She does not exactly say if God had a vote he would have voted Leave, but she gets closer to it than she should. If she really thinks she is leading a united country full of hope ... I suggest she gets out more.”

Campbell, who is now editor-at-large of the pro-EU weekly newspaper the New European, added: “I don’t think I have ever known Britain more divided. As for her talk of compassion, community, citizenship and obligations to one another, she has taken an axe to those with regard to Britain’s relations to the rest of the world, and plenty of her domestic agenda points in the opposite direction.” "

As Rigby says, there's a lot to scorn about May's message, expecting us to unite while dividing us.

POGs read my post - I said any political leader. Politics and religion should be kept separate. I think it's beyond cheap to evoke 'Christian' values - whatever they are - in the name of post Brexit unity. Cheap, cheap, cheap

Rigby 46

"Easter Mesage -FFS who does she think she is, the Pope? "

MaizieD Sun 16-Apr-17 08:46:49

As far as Easter Messages are concerned I think that Theresa May has bl**dy cheek. Who on earth does she think she is? Easter Messages belong to christian religions, without whom the festival wouldn't even exist (yes, I do know about pre-christian Spring festivals so no need to jump in with moans about christian appropriation of pagan festivals). Is it because she's a vicar's daughter that she thinks she's our spiritual leader?

The only people who should be giving Easter messages are christian leaders, such as the archbishop of Canterbury, or the Queen. Though I think the Queen is far too sensible to get caught up in such a stupid innovation. For it is an innovation for a secular leader to be handing out 'Easter messages"

Out of interest do you feel the same about Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron's Easter Messages, or is it just Theresa May you scorn ?

A Christian message about unity, coming together, shared values, ambitions, interests - yeah right - wonder where the swingeing cuts to bereavement benefits come in; the taking away of motability cars from disabled people, before appeal, causing them to sell their cars and lose their jobs ( before the benefit is then reinstated) ; the way below inflation increase offered yet again to our hard working NHS staff; the plans for the expansion of divisive grammar schools; the millions and millions wasted on free schools that never opened and academies that went bust; the loss of the 18 week target for non urgent surgery ; Southern Rail making it clear that disabled travellers will have far less options for using the rail network - all this in the news in the last week or so. As far as I am concerned, instead of vacuous hypocritical Easter messages ( from any political leader) they should just STFU and unless they are actively working to deal with the real problems in our society, they should stop treating us like idiots with their false empty promises and evoking Christian values they do not practice. They could damn well start with the Sermon on the Mount

As I said WW, I think it might recover in time for the next generation to benefit. Actually, I'll see what I can do about hanging on lng enough myself (but I'm struggling with the new 10 a day prescription!)

"This tendency to go with the flow has its downsides in humans, since happy people can become all too good at adapting even to an uncomfortable status quo. They make lousy activists, lacking the restlessness that so often drives change, and a world packed full of them would be a dangerously passive place.Discontent has its uses." Gaby Hinscliff.

You turn the world upside down by voting for Brexit, then tell the rest of us to be happy with our lot.
Probably the first time you have gone against the status quo in your life, and remainers have to just accept it?
No chance.

fitz will see us out then. Pity my children and grandchildren who will be left with the s--t. Something they never wanted but has been forced on them by us soon to be deceased -the irony of it!!

I actually agree with pretty much all you say Conco. But I voted for the rock rather than the hard place. By "downhill" I meant that all the pain will be upfront - in the short to medium term and that's what is now starting to be felt. We might well be better off in the long term but to my mind that's much more of an uncertainty than the very real problems Brexit is likely to cause over the next 10 years or more.

It's my Easter message, Rose. I am reaching for my hard hat as I write .

Well said Cunco

I am getting tired of having to say that Leavers, like Remainers, voted the way they did for all manner of reasons. Personally, immigration was not high on my list in 1975 or 2016. Migration is a long term feature of a world of expanding population, disparity of wealth and easy communication.

I have waited for EU reform for 40 years and I see little real sign. As Ken Clarke said in Parliament, everyone wants to reform the EU but there is no consensus and even if their were, it would take many years to re-negotiate a new treaty. One problem is that the Eurozone needs to integrate further to survive which means a looser form of co-operation is unlikely in the long term.

I read Maisie's comment that the EU parliament may be more powerful than people give it credit for. Who? Surely not people who voted Leave. I was, though, interested to read what Caroline Lucas, 10 years an MEP, said in Parliament. She felt that the EU Commission had too much power relative to the EU Parliament and that lobbyists in Brussels have far too much influence.

I voted Leave as a choice between a rock and a hard place. As it happens, I do not think it is all downhill for us from here but it will be a bumpy ride. I think, though, we will muddle through. I have big concerns about the EU. It remains centralised, bureaucratic, undemocratic and inflexible, headed, in my view, to a kind of United States in Europe. It would be good if we could all have a conversation about the long term future of the EU. I suspect the views of Leave and Remain are many and varied.

I had to smile at Maisie's suggestion that 'Remoaner' was the ultimate insult. If that is the worst insult anyone has suffered, they must have lived a very sheltered life. I remember when 'Remona' was a hit record. I suspect it was before we joined the EU. We weren't, for the time, an extreme society then and I hope and believe we will not be one if the EU Parliament allows us to leave the EU.

Right there rose mad as hell!!! at the idiocy of it all.

What a lot of hot cross buns some of you are!

I've not read it but according to the Mirror Monsignor Jezza seems to have delivered his own Easter message. I bet you're really, really cross now Mazie?

As far as Easter Messages are concerned I think that Theresa May has bl**dy cheek. Who on earth does she think she is? Easter Messages belong to christian religions, without whom the festival wouldn't even exist (yes, I do know about pre-christian Spring festivals so no need to jump in with moans about christian appropriation of pagan festivals). Is it because she's a vicar's daughter that she thinks she's our spiritual leader?
The only people who should be giving Easter messages are christian leaders, such as the archbishop of Canterbury, or the Queen. Though I think the Queen is far too sensible to get caught up in such a stupid innovation. For it is an innovation for a secular leader to be handing out 'Easter messagesl.

Hell, this has made me almost as mad as brexit did.

WW as you say, the rot is now truly setting in. Downhill from here I think.