Brexit all done and dusted?

The rest of the day?
They won't be up yet, Jess, having read what time you posted that.

That is an interesting statistical point daphnedil and one that had escaped me, about the size of the cohorts. (If it escaped me though, I doubt it is in the minds of the under 25s when they are deciding whether they can be arsed to vote)
It may well be correct that if all the 18-24 year olds had voted in the referendum the result would have been the same However if you expanded the band to under 30s the story might have been very different.
In our constituency the retired age group is nearly 25% of the entire population so must make up a sizeable % of all the voters. And they are more likely to vote. However it is very marginal. It could come down to 10s of votes. If a few more younger people vote it could make the difference. So that is what I'll be doing for the rest of the day, trying to get younger people to register to vote.

However, I agree with Cindersdad. The latest polls are consistently showing a small pro-Remain majority and increasing slightly (probably as more 17 year olds turn 18).

I'm not so sure that the election will give a clue about how the country feels on a single issue.

The Labour Party is (at best) ambivalent about its stance and there's no way of telling if people vote for the Conservatives for Brexit, because they can't stand Corbyn or some other different reason.

Jalima You're not ignorant, so I won't excuse you.

You're correct that the exit polls for the referendum showed that few 18-24 year olds voted in person and this was widely reported. However, subsequent face-to-face interviews and online polls since then have asked young people whether they voted. Of course, they might be lying, but many claimed that they had voted by post. The reason for a high percentage of postal votes is obvious. The referendum took place during the Summer break and many students weren't living where they were registered. My DD was one of them. I actually posted her envelope, so I know she voted.

The 18-24 cohort is one of the smallest, so even if they had all voted, their 70+% pro-Remain vote wouldn't have counted, because the baby boomer cohort is so much bigger. Maybe that's one reason so many 18-24 year olds are disaffected with politics.

Whitewave the truth is beginning to dawn but whether will change the government's outlook remains to be seen. Until the Election is over we really cannot say very much.

The main question which one person on Question Time was not answered definitively is

"If the after negotiations it becomes evident that Brexit is not viable would you be prepared to stay in the EU?"

There is no point in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Parliament should at least consider this option and not be intimidated by the 52% many of whom have changed their minds or misled back in 2016. The result of the election will give us a clue of how thw country actually feels.

Brexit is beginning to take it toll on output and the trade gap.

Industrial output and the trade gap widened as the uncertainty around Brexit is beginning to weigh on the U.K. Economy.

The fall in the value of the pound which was so widely talked up by the Brexiters as a GOOD THING, has done little to boost exports, but has caused inflation to rise and the price of imported raw materials to rise considerably.

That was what was widely reported though daphnedill so please excuse my ignorance.
I'm glad if they did show more civic responsibility than was at first reported.

And - you are probably a baby boomer I think (awful term) but I'm not in fact.
I do find the 'Gen X' is more contemptuous of the 'Gen Y' (Millennials) than any older person is.

I think some GNers should take a step back and see how much they moan about younger people
Well, all the ones in my family are brilliant!
and those of most of my friends are too, all lovely young people and very few whingers amongst them.

Yes, no good the young complaining about the results of the referendum when younger voter turnout was so low.It may be just as low in the GE to come.

Ee by gum! Do you live in a cardboard box saak. It must be a superior version with internet connection and electricity. Do you wear a flat cap and race pigeons too?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

It is not a fact that the majority of young did not vote in the referendum!!!!

I think some GNers should take a step back and see how much they moan about younger people.

Jalima Post-referendum research has suggested that the turnout for 18-24 year olds was actually much higher than originally thought.

The original figures were based on exit polls, but many young people used postal votes.

Sorry, but I'm on the side of the young, but they won't get anywhere, because there are more baby boomers like the three wolves and two sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

stillaliveandkicking I don't believe I have read any posting by you which has not been unpleasant in tone. A lot of people on here have differing views on all sorts of things, but don't resort to that. I feel sorry for you if you feel that angry and bitter (and superior) all the time.

It is a fact that the vast majority of young voted to remain. The majority of over 60s voted to leave
It is also a fact that a majority of the young did not vote and that a majority of older voters did.

Good job you put 'Observer' at the end of your post whitewave. I thought it was a rather unusual post for you! (Quotation marks around the piece would have made it clearer that those were not your own words)

jalima you are confusing the blame culture for fact. It is a fact that the vast majority of young voted to remain. The majority of over 60s voted to leave.

At the moment Brexit is not going well and May is more than aware of this unfortunate turn of events.

She is also aware that after a potential glorious June and ascent to the throne, she will find herself blamed as prices rise and the economy stagnates. That is almost certainly why she rushed into an early election. It is almost certain that May is finally beginning to understand how weak her Brexit position is, and the lack of experience of her ministers, especially bumbling David Davis.

She surely must now understand the impossibility if cherry picking. The hard Brexiters still don't get it. The EU doesn't need to play dirty. The EUs economy is expanding, and seemingly the populist tide is receding. The EU already has the upper hand, both in terms of the too-tight article 50 timetable and the opening agenda, which it has dictated. Britain is the supplicant. It is divided. And on crucial issues, it does not seem to know what it wants.
In contrast the 27 seem united.

T is time for May to wake up and stop dancing to the ignorantly chauvinistic, jingoistic tunes of the Eurosceptic right.
A good start would be the unilateral guaranteeing the rights of citizens in the U.K.

The sooner she admits that there are billions of pounds owing, a fact never mentioned in the referendum, the sooner voters will be able to place in its true perspective the Brexiters egregious, not forgotten lie about freeing upon£350m a week for the NHS.
Let's hope if May wins in June she proves herself responsible.

Observer

Inflation has already risen compared to a year ago.
Strangely people who own their own homes do not necessarily have more money but simply spend it in different ways

As turn-out was a mere 36% amongst 18-24 year olds can older Remainers start blaming them for their apathetic attitude?

Sorry, but there is enough inter-generational warfare without carrying on the belief that older people ruined the futures of younger people by voting Leave.
Older people have more of a sense of civic duty and will go out to vote whereas younger people will just moan now about the result for years to come.

I dislike the blame culture - if they felt strongly about this they should have got out there and voted.

How do you know if inflation will rise or not? Been reading pro-propaganda again. Do you have crystal ball as well whitewave?

Well whitewave, you can sit there in the comfortable own home whilst I could never afford one due to being working class. Says it all doesn't it. As for the other comments they're far too narrow-minded for me to even want to answer.

Polly Toynbee has an article in the Guardian about all the money being reduced in what is broadly called 'the state'. This is Environmental Health Officers as well as roads etc. The Gov. are working on a 40 year plan it seems to reduce the spending down to 36% of GDP - much of Europe spends 44% or more on theirs. Very interesting but worrying in the extreme. Haven't put the link because I know it annoys many people but a tad of googling - Guardian and Polly Toynbee should find it OK.

I think what is being done to the youngsters is awful - the only good point I can see is that is making many of them politically aware. DGS And I have conversations about it and we have been discussing voting tactics in the election. I am pleasantly surprised how aware he and his friends are - they are mid twenties and well educated - degree or PhD - gives me hope for the country in the future!

Disposable income is set to shrink this coming year as a result of Brexit- inflation. This is set to rise to 3.4%. A price worth paying many if our age will say as we sit in our comfortable owned homes looking out of our windows as we betray the young who didn't want any of it, but because of their selfish, insular and xenophobic elders have to somehow deal with it.