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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

Ginny42 Tue 09-May-17 20:48:32

The only thing I would add to your post Trisher is that international students bring £Ms to this country. One MA at a certain British Uni costs £25,000 tuition. c.£8,500 halls accommodation; £3,000 for English classes prior to joining their department. Add to this annual costs for food and drink,travel, books and stationery,clothing, sports, socialising, etc; etc.

They bring vast amounts of money and keep many people in employment.

daphnedill Tue 09-May-17 13:06:35

niggly It was saak who started the accusations about a certain poster's IQ. The post had been deleted. I agree with you - it is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

trisher Tue 09-May-17 12:50:35

saak there will not be an end to immigration and foreigners will continue to come here to work and study. You have been sold a policy which is not only unenforceable but impossible and actually bad for our economy. No one is going to close the borders because we need people to come here from the EU and other countries. They pay fortunes to our universities, they prop up our health service, they enrich our science and research centres and they do the jobs no one else wants to.
Continue living in Cloud Cuckoo Land where only the real British are permitted, the rest of us will be here in modern multi-racial Britain trying to balance the budget and make the best of a Brexit we never wanted.

Welshwife Tue 09-May-17 12:06:16

I cannot follow the argument that TMay will get rid of the EU - do you mean she will destroy the whole thing or just destroy the UK by taking it out?

The unfortunate thing is that many many politicians just lie - it us not always possible to spot these lies especially when they are promising something we would like to see happen.

Personally I would like to see a Health Service which really does what it was set up to do and has the funds to do this - also I think that no retired people on pensions should be on the poverty line - and I would like to see more money in primary education. This will need money and from taxes - Tim Farron is quite open he would put a penny on the tax to pay for I think the NHS - I would happily pay 2p more if it would do all three things.

nigglynellie Tue 09-May-17 11:25:37

Wow, some of the comments on here are really awful! Querying somebody's IQ has to be scraping the bottom of the barrel! Well done saak for putting up such a robust argument, but to be honest, I simply wouldn't bother, as you'll only let yourself in for bullying and arrogance by people on here who deem themselves more informed, academic, and vastly superior to the rest of us poor straw chewing peasants who clearly need re educating before being allowed to vote!! (Never mess with a teacher!!)

Jalima1108 Tue 09-May-17 00:11:33

Gordon Brown saak - he called a woman 'a bigot'

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:27:05

Last thought of the daysmile Genuine concerns from genuine (non thick) working class people have brought about the end of a bureaucratic club. Im sad that the wonderful concept of the EU is not true. I feel It now needs to be disbanded. Unfortunately there isn't another party in existence to carry this through. I believe that May will do this. We all need to come together now to help this happen.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:15:53

If I remember rightly didn't "whats his name" (labour) get caught
saying that a normal working class woman was racist for actually stating her concern over the sheer mass amount of people coming into the country? That was back then.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:07:17

Libdems and labour will cut net immigration? Is it their manifesto, if so jen please send me the link.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:05:12

Got tempted there jen to look at your link. Very umm constructive.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:03:13

What would they actually DO?

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 23:01:04

Explain the "libdems" ethos to me in a few words jen. I'd love to be able to understand them.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:59:10

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stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 22:58:57

With respect Maizie, I didn't see the last "new labour" government speak for whom they should.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:56:43

Better tell Paul Nuttall that. He was on the news tonight saying just what I said, so nobody told him.
There's a Ukip candidate in my constituency and last time he came third. Hopefully, Libdems will be back in their rightful position this time. I don't mind at all if Ukip disappear.

MaizieD Mon 08-May-17 22:54:37

I have also watched what out of touch greedy government has done to this country.

Which government are you talking about saak? The only 'greedy, out of touch' one I can think of is the Tories.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 22:45:02

UKIP are no longer exist they served a fantastic purpose though. Nice try in deflection Jen.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:33:24

It might also mean lots of people missing their planes and trains and ferries.
I don't think Nuttall thought it through at all.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:32:18

May thinks that Macron will agree to keeping the borders in France. That will be even more costly turnstiles. Unless she thinks the French will pay for them.

Welshwife Mon 08-May-17 22:30:26

They will need to install those counting turnstile things at the ports and airports -

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:27:35

Have you seen Ukip's immigration policy, one in, one out?
That should prove interesting.

Welshwife Mon 08-May-17 22:22:27

Tell us one really big advantage you are expecting once we are out of the EU. Not sovereignty because we never lost that or stopping immigration as we all know that one.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 22:00:33

Because from where I'm sitting every single MP that isn't on board has an ulterior motive for being a "remoaner".

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 21:55:35

What are your motives for staying in the EU jen? Is it greed? Do you not want to get out of a smothering situation?

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 21:51:55

To you, but hey, you don't make any sense to me either in a far broader way.