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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 19:28:21

Not ignoring it. It's JUST NOT TRUE!

Welshwife Mon 08-May-17 19:27:04

That should have read - what majority are you part of?

Welshwife Mon 08-May-17 19:24:38

What majority ?

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 19:20:57

The EU is not a group of nations co-operating at all, it should be but it's not. Since starting the leaving process, this has been shown two-fold by the heads of such a, yes, dictatorship.

Or are you choosing to blindly ignore this.

varian Mon 08-May-17 19:12:49

Oh dear saak you have been misinformed. If your stepson is you main source of information he still has a lot to learn.

The EU is not and never has been a dictatorship. It is a group of nations co-operating together with decisions being made by their democratically elected representatives.

A dictatorship is what we could have if enough misguided people (not a majority or even a majority of those who vote) decide to vote in Theresa May.

There was a time when Conservative politicians were wiser and could see the dangers of "elective dictatorship" happening because of our ridiculous undemocratic voting system.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/elective-dictatorship-democratic-mandate/

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 19:09:14

No need. It's already been explained to me in a very matter of fact way which only strengthen what I believed anyway. Democracy has finally won. Unfortunately jen et al there are always going to be naysayers.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 19:03:46

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of a dictatorship, and show your stepson.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 19:01:33

He already has mcem. Quite strange that Im part of the majority isn't it.

mcem Mon 08-May-17 19:00:21

Well let's hope he learns something useful and passes it on to you.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 18:53:30

My step son is studying languages at uni and part of that is to discover how the EU came about. Yes it is grin

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 18:38:31

The EU cannot possibly be a dictatorship.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 17:39:16

The bottom line is

Yes, we are getting out of the EU dictatorship. It was a democratic vote and if you can't accept this and stand as one with the rest of the country whilst we get on with it then that says a lot about you as a person.

It's happening thank god. No amount of "links" are going to change it. People like you just hinder things and will make things more costly which will take funds away from the UK.

Ana Mon 08-May-17 17:32:33

Speak for yoursself, whitewave.

Slutgran24 Mon 08-May-17 17:26:14

Hi, I love myself a bit of that brexit, stop moaning and love yourself a bit too!!

Hi joel,

Gran

whitewave Mon 08-May-17 17:17:15

French have more sense than us that's for sure.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 17:17:11

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/08/tories-will-keep-their-immigration-target-because-it-distracts-us-while-they-starve-us/

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 16:57:34

Lots and lots and lots of figures plucked out of the air by lots and lots and lots of people.
The purpose of the link is to give you lots and lots of other links all about Brexit.
You can read them all if you want to.

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 16:47:20

Ok, and? It seems to be a figure plucked out of the air doesn't it. What was the purpose of this link?

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 16:43:05

1london.net/general-election-fact-watch-is-the-eu-really-asking-for-a-100bn-brexit-divorce-bill/

stillaliveandkicking Mon 08-May-17 16:37:11

Durham, all these links are sent to bias pro-europe publications. So of course they're going to say as such. They are not a true representation at all.

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 12:40:42

Very sensible (your DsIL)

Always go into everything most thoroughly and don't just take an official's word for it, seek independent advice, as my family members have found out too.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 12:22:41

The reason she went to the newspapers was because she was told to prepare to leave the country. I'd tell my daughters in law to do that as well, as they are both in the same situation. They haven't applied for citizenship, fortunately, because people like this woman went to the newspapers to tell their stories.
They are waiting to see what happens.
Having lived here for over 20 years, they do not have a vote. The Dutch woman does now, and will no doubt never use it to vote for the Tories.

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 12:16:35

There is no need for bitchy comments.

Should she not have gone into that thoroughly first?
And - I do know a little about it as I have had family who have gone through similar processes both here and overseas. But they did not go to the media about any problems they may have encountered.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 12:08:25

“Some time after submitting my application in January, I was horrified to learn from a lawyer that in fact by becoming a dual-national British citizen, I have signed away several rights that I had before,” she said.

“In my particular case, this would mean that if my widowed mother in the Netherlands were to need care in the future, I would not be able to bring her over to live with me as a dependent. She is very fit and healthy and has no intention of living here but who knows what might happen in 10 years’ time?”

This is what leaving the EU could mean for over three million EU citizens living over here.
No jobsworths involved. They were all obeying the law as it is now trying to ensure they could stay together as a family.

Good to know you are so concerned.

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 11:59:36

It does sound as if a Home Office official was behaving as a 'jobsworth' and that, had this Dutch woman followed the procedures in applying for permanent residency correctly on appeal, she may well not have had her appeal rejected. Alternatively, she could have waited for the outcome of Brexit negotiations instead of taking the alternative route of applying for British citizenship and thereby losing other rights.