How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

...As everyone knows Im hugely working class ...

What does that actually mean Saak?

May is not interested in Brexit in the way you are. Her aim is, as a Conservative Richard Murphy explains* that:
Like all neoliberals her one goal is to push back the state and increase inequality. And that is what she has the chance to do.
The so-called Great Repeal Bill, with its Henry VIII clauses that will deny accountability, will reduce employee and environmental rights, harm the protection for those with disabilities (as if that could still be imagined), diminish universal rights to health care, harm security in old age, damagingly bias markets in favour of big business and foreign owned companies, remove legal protections, probably claw back against LGBT rights, undermine social stability and encourage the break up of the Union. But none if this will matter to May. She will have fostered the self interest of the few, increased their access to the state as a means for appropriating its common wealth for privategain and will have put in place mechanisms that will be contractually hard for successors to unwind. That is the goal.

Why would you wish the principles of the Conservatives on the "working class"? It would be understandable if you were actually going to get the Brexit you so believe in but May will not give you that - she cannot.

*Under the smokescreen of Brexit Theresa May is pursuing class warfare

Durhamjen does not live in Durham, if she did she would want the same as any other working class person.

Are there only working class people in Durham? I'd have thought like most areas it has a mixed population

Oh dear saak I see we have another one who not only has an opinion but believes it is the only one that is right. Your opinion is not fact saak - I would argue it does not even appear to be based on fact.

You appear to have a very large chip on your shoulder about "clubs". I wonder if you have wound people in them up by insisting they do things your way as you are trying to insist with Gransnetters.

This may be easier for some You just select your constituency from a drop-down list and it searches for you.

What the heck are you going on about saak?

Didn't your pigeon win first prize? Did Paul Nuttall forget to give you your flat cap back? By the way, I think there's an updated version of the Kipper handbook.

Class warfare is just sooo twentieth century!

What does any other working class person want?
They don't all think like you, saaki.
I know working class who vote Labour, Libdem, Tory and Green Party. Don't know any who vote ukip, unless that's you, saaki.

Well if so I don't get you at all, I really don't. You should be fighting for working class people to be able to earn a good living instead of wanting vast immigration that stops this happening, pushes down live-able wages and quite frankly exploits everyone, resulting in the elite becoming richer by the minute. I'm pretty ashamed of you now.

If you mean me saak, you couldn't be more wrong! .

Durham is a county, as well as a city.

What's wrong with you saak? Nearly all of us are working class. To think otherwise is reverse snobbery.

Not so sure that's such a good idea dj. Labour has already said it won't fight JH's seat, so that the opposition vote isn't split. The Greens are expected to stand down too.

You know whats wrong, you know why there was a brexit vote yet you still keep banging on and never admit that you are affluent and want it to stay that way. Durhamjen does not live in Durham, if she did she would want the same as any other working class person.

I think you should do some history revision saak. The US supported the founding of the original European Coal and Steel Community of France, Germany, Italy and the Benelux countries to facilitate trade and avoid a European wasteland, because it needed a market for its own exports. Germany was still a wreck in the 1950s. The UK could have done the same, if it had been more forward-thinking.

Louise Irvine standing again against Hunt for the NHA.

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A "club" is a clique just a different spelling.

Great, so you did know then.

however I'm sure you knew exactly what I meant.
Well I didn't know exactly

Unless you mean cliques within clubs which does happen.

How many other countries have prospered under the EU? Spain, er no. Greece, er no. France, the sit on the fence country, played it. Who else? umm let me think?

Germany started the EU for their own gains.

Not sure why you feel that anyone that doesn't want to be part of a "club" shouldn't want to work with others of the same ideals. now that's weird.

Germany has made a total mess over the last 70 years?

I assume you realise that Merkel has never had a majority.

Hans-Dietrich Genscher, one of the most influential post-war European politicians in foreign policy, belonged to a party which has never had anything like a majority.

Churchill led a coalition government during the war and did a reasonable job.

Oh yes! I certainly do!

Independent, so his battle cry was "Power to the people"!

All well and good. In an ideal world it this wouldn't happen would it Lucky, however sitting on the fence and having two or three parties trying to govern is a total mess. The labour party and the liberals are a mess. To "tactical vote" is also a mess in the making. As everyone knows Im hugely working class but don't have a party that doesn't make me laugh (in a very bad way) so it has to be conservative at the moment to get us through leaving the EU and May can do that. Everything else can wait.

Does anyone remember Citizen Smith, leader of the Tooting Liberation Front?

He wanted to be independent.

Well said lucky .

what has being independent got to do with being selfish? It has nothing to do with not caring for others, more to do with not wanting to follow and be part of a herd.

In a democratic election the desired result is for the government to be formed by those for whom the majority of the people in the country vote. The first past he post system destroys that possibility and destroys democracy.

So.....what to do? Look at the past history and decide how to vote - if for example you support Labour policies and the candidate in your constituency stands a chance of getting in, then vote for her. If she doesn't, then what to do? Waste your vote on her or try and make darn sure the Tories do not get in by voting for whoever, in your judgement, stands the best chance of tipping them out and whose policies you find more tolerable.

I live in Tory heartland with just a very brief sojourn by the Lib Dems. In the last election the Tory candidate won by a huge majority, and is likely to do so again. If I vote Labour, it will be to all intents and purposes a vote for the current Tory MP. If I vote Lib Dem, there is a small chance that the current MP will be toppled and reduce the Tory majority, which for me is the desired outcome for all the reasons that others have eloquently described above.

Tactical voting is a way of trying to redress the undemocratic influence of the first past the post system.

Casting a vote that you know will have the opposite result to what you desire is just plain bonkers!