Voting quandry

I think most can see that anniebach
And you are far from alone

So rise above the baiting

And the despair

Jalima, I said in several,posts here yesterday. We are fighting for Welsh Labour and for Carwyn our leader. Wales is in danger of becoming Tory controlled .ni will repeat , I was more than irritated to heard McDonald and Corbyn say how they had done better in Wales, not true, Corbyn made one visit here , not our choosing, we kept Cardiff but it was Welsh labour assembly members and Welsh labour members who worked their socks off to keep Cardiff.

I heard a newly elected councillor for Merthyr interviewed, I know he is labour but he stood as an independant . I heard the defeated labour council leader interviewed and he said the loss of Merthyr was because of Corbyn.

Stephen Kinnock gave interviews and was honest, it was not a great victory for Wales but we held on.

I stood down as chair of my local,party but only because a member refused to apologise for saying our only hope was Corbyn would have a massive heart attack, I remained fully involved in the csmpaign for our seven town councillors , all re elected. Our fliers referred to local issues and Welsh Labour.

I did a daily battle on a local site with a Tory who was standing, he lost .

My loyalty to labour is as strong as ever , I have no loyalty to Corbyn who doesn't give a jot about winning the election, his aim is to form a communist party .

All the far left here can hurl insults at me , it is bullying but I will continue to be true to myself, I will not lie and will not respond to the baits from some of them.

End of epistle

I don't see your point there, Jalima. Carwyn Jonesa is first minister of the Welsh Assembly and as such is doing his job.
Why does he need to be seen to mention Corbyn?

I expect there are very many Labour supporters saying the same as anniebach online, in the media and with other Labour activists and voters.

I put this link on the other thread
Carwyn can't bear to speak his name in public apparently
However, I wonder what is going on behind closed doors? I doubt they are all suffering the Corbyn effect in silence.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/what-carwyn-jones-election-statement-12992262

There is inconsistency in campaigning for the local party whilst coming onto a national social forum and reinforcing everything that the right wing press and media commentators say about the unelectability of the party, the untrustworthiness of Corbyn and the mindlessness of those who refuse to denounce him - and who, according to you, deserve to be called "flies" attracted to "manure".

Daphne, what the hell do you think I do? I am canvassing for good labour MP's , my posts here affect the voting throughout the country ?

Some MP's I am in contact with live too far away for me to travel to.

So why don't you support the good Labour MPs, some of whom are going to lose their seats, because people like you continue to put all the emphasis on Corbyn?

You should be shouting from the rooftops how much good grassroots MPs are doing, rather than denigrating the leadership. These people have been doing their job despite everything.

So what did you think of Corbyn's chapter, Annie?
When you first read it, Annie, not now.

Nine contributors yet the poster chose that one line to repeat ! Coincidence ?

Daphne, this has been my fear from shortly after Corbyn became leader. I said then the party was heading for a repeat of the wilderness years .

It was Keir Hardie's son-in-law who wrote of a rabble. Airbrushing history isn't helpful. As with all historical writing, it was an interpretation of how the people behaved. I expect there are other interpretations out there.

I'm afraid I don't think people today could give a damn about Keir Hardie. I wonder how many have even heard of him?

Have you read anything by current MPs such as Wes Streeting or Clive Lewis? Or followed MPs such as Debbie Abrahams, Sarah Champion or Jess Phillips on Twitter? They are doing their best to hang on to their Labour seats and, by all accounts, are good constituency MPs.

They are frequently attacked on the one hand by those on the left of the Labour Party and I don't suppose it helps that they can't count on the support of people of those within the LP, who claim to be on their side. The national media picks up on anti-Corbyn comments, which will count against them. People will respect their MPs, but be affected by the national smears.

It's unlikely Corbyn will still be leader in 2022. With a bit of luck, it will find somebody effective, but it will be too late. Voters will have chosen a government, which acts against their interests and could be landed with an MP less effective than the ones they have now.

My point is I read the book , see no point in discussing it when you make a point of posting the line describing the people of Merthyr as the rabble.

And your point is?

I have read it. It was commissioned by the Keir Hardie society and is a collection of essays , nine contributed, one was Jeremy Corbyn .

"Anniebach
"He [Corbyn] does seem to attract women Beam

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"Like flies to manure?

Anniebach
"Beam "

Those sort of remarks are in line with Michelle Obama's advice "When they go low, go high" are they anniebach?

Many of the posters attacking the Labour Party seem incapable of putting forward a political argument based on issues but rely almost entirely on vile comments and sarcastic remarks - and then wonder why people snap back. BUT I would say it's a new low to describe those who disagree with the attacks on Corbyn as "flies on manure".

And it was the constituents of Merthyr Tidfyl who joined with mainstream opinion, egged on by the right wing press, to turn on Keir Hardie because of his opposition to the Boer War and WWI. In the book "What would Keir Hardie say?" (which I have) it is stated that "jingoists prevented him speaking, even in his own constituency of Merthyr Tydfil." His future son in law Emrys Hughes describes how Hardie was pursued by a "howling mob" but remained "one of the grandest men that had ever braved the rabble".

Beam

Like flies to manure?

He does seem to attract women Beam ,

A pity that energy is wasted on such a little plonker.
Incidentally, he will always be "covered" by Momentum fans (usually women) to try and look popular. Embarrassing really.

Jen enjoys insulting anyone who doesn't worship at the shrine of her hero Corbyn

Honestly dj you are so rude to people who disagree with you.

I got the wrong MP, sorry

No she isn't, Annie, you mix up your actors just like everything else.