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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

POGS Mon 24-Apr-17 13:00:25

Marbles there are 2 other threads discussing your dilemma, have you read them?

You might find the answer to your dilemma has already been suggested.

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 13:07:45

With you marble

varian Mon 24-Apr-17 13:13:32

Do you actually know the names and views of all the candidates in your constituency yet marbles?

yggdrasil Mon 24-Apr-17 13:36:14

Why are you so against Jeremy Corbyn? For the first time in decades we have someone who says and does as he believes. This is what loads of people fed up with politicians who are only out for their careers.
The right wing media have vilified him from the start. The right wing of the Labour party, who got there under Blair, have been as bad, not supporting the man who was elected by the party members.
Corbyn is not a orator, that is why others of the party who were should have been much more behind him .
I would really like to see a Government looking out for ordinary people, which believes in public service, and has had enough of 'austerity'.
In answer to which party to vote for, that depends where you live. I am going to have to vote LibDem, even though they are third on my list, but they are the only party here who can defeat the Tories. We so need a proper voting system of STV.

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 13:47:15

Shouldn't a party leader stand for his party's beliefs not his own?

Labour Party - keep trident

Corbyn. - get rid of

Labour Party - vote remain

Corbyn - I have always wanted out

rosesarered Mon 24-Apr-17 14:07:36

Understand perfectly Marbles but if you don't want to abstain ( and voted to Remain in the referendum) then vote Lib Dem.
If you voted to leave the EU, then vote for an Independent if you can't vote Conservative?

rosesarered Mon 24-Apr-17 14:10:04

It's how most people view Corbyn btw as they can't see him in power, don't want a return to the seventies and huge Union clout/strikes, unfettered borrowing and spending and generally hard left policies.

Lazigirl Mon 24-Apr-17 14:10:24

If you don't want the Tories to have a landslide victory vote tactically. Look at other post discussing this.

whitewave Mon 24-Apr-17 14:10:48

It's the manifesto that you vote for not the person. Well if you do it's a bit daft.

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 14:15:43

So if not getting rid of trident is not in labours manifesto what then?

rosesarered Mon 24-Apr-17 14:17:10

Exactly the problem.... Corbyn is at odds with various policies within Labours manifesto!

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 14:32:42

As some wag said recently, Corbyn has voted against the Labour Party more than

angelab Mon 24-Apr-17 14:57:27

IMO the only hope labour have to get rid of the tories is if they all rally behind Corbyn - whether you like it or not he has been twice voted in a leader and this is not the time for squablles within the party.

yggdrasil Mon 24-Apr-17 15:04:48

Anniebach said <Shouldn't a party leader stand for his party's beliefs not his own?>

He does stand for the party's beliefs, all those in the country who have joined Labour since he became leader, making them the biggest party in the country.
If you mean the Parliamentary Labour party, well, they should stand for the party's, and the leader's, beliefs. They are the problem, not Corbyn.

Welshwife Mon 24-Apr-17 15:14:03

He voted with his convictions when it came to the Brexit vote - he should have allowed his MPs the same freedom instead of the three line whip! That is what really annoyed me.

marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 16:11:21

Oh I did a really long reply and it has vanished. I will try again answering questions in order

1) POGS - oops no apologies for this
2) varian - no, just rumours but if they are to be believed then this is the case.
3) Jeremy Corbyn - I think I need more that one thread to answer this but enough to say that any party that has divided its own members to such an extent will never be a credible opposition. I think he's lost it in every sense. One for deeper discussion elsewhere I think but overall I find it shocking how Labour has crumbled to such an extent so quickly. There are a number of Labour MPs who I have great respect for and if I was in their constituency I would vote for them regardless. But generally I can't support the party as it is at the moment for many reasons though it pains me very greatly to say this
4) Anniebach - precisely
5) rosesarered - yes I totally understand this. I need to do more research into the LibDem manifesto first. A slight worry is that I know so many disenfranchised voters of both the main parties at the moment that if we all vote LibDem it could make a real difference so I want to make sure I know what I am really voting for in detail. Of course voting for an independent is also a fair answer but how much notice will the main parties take of such votes as a form of protest. If none or very little then I feel I need to use my vote to greater effect which brings me back to square one. I voted remian by the way
6) fair point rosesarered
7) lazigirl yes I will thank you
8) whitewave of course the manifesto rather than the person - although if I felt strongly pro my candidate for various reasons that may change the way I feel - likewise strongly anti. More research to be done ver the next month or so
9) yes to the comments about Corbyn!
10) angelab this is a fair point but I think the party needs to sort itself out before we can think of them as credible enough - also as people have said Corbyn needs to be consistent and support his own manifesto. The fact he's all over the place is indicative of the mess the party is in
11) welshwife - agree

anyway sorry for the long and complicated answer - this is what happens if you post and then go to Sainsburys [grin} I thought it was better than answering each in a separate post

Granof11 Mon 24-Apr-17 16:36:19

Marbles I feel just as you do so am purposely spoiling my postal vote and returning it as usual.

varian Mon 24-Apr-17 16:49:24

Please don't do that Granof11

None of the parties have published their manifestos yet, or declared who all their candidates will be, but you could look on the parties own websites to get an idea. I recommend the Liberal Democrats-

petra Mon 24-Apr-17 17:04:34

yggdrasil Could you give an example of something Corbyn has achieved in his 33 years as an MP other than protesting against everything.

POGS Mon 24-Apr-17 17:07:56


No apologies were asked for.

I wasn't intending anything of a snotty nature, sorry if that's how it came over.

I can see how my post may have appeared as such.

I genuinely wondered if you had noted the other two threads which gave lots of points that might have given you some thoughts to come up with an answer to your dilemma.

[peace emoticon]

varian Mon 24-Apr-17 17:47:21

A lot of people who feel like you, Grannyof11 have looked at all the parties and decidede to join the Liberal Democrats - over 12,000 new members bringing the total to over 100,000!

dbDB77 Mon 24-Apr-17 22:05:26

I'm with you on this one marbles - I am in a real quandary - but my solution may be different from yours - I cannot believe that I'm actually thinking of voting Tory. As a country we face a real challenge in our Brexit negotiations and I think that the best person to be our PM at this crucial time is Teresa May. And it's not just an issue of May or Corbyn - look beyond Corbyn to his team - are any of them fit to govern? McDonnell as Chancellor? shock I think not - all the credible Labour MPs (apart from one or two) have left or are leaving politics or are languishing on the backbenches.
There are also other reasons - I'm tired of hearing about the "savage Tory cuts" when we know that public expenditure is rising year on year and we are still in deficit - and a major chunk of current expenditure is interest on our debts - every time anyone wants to talk seriously about managing & controlling public spending there are howls of outrage from the opposition parties. But we cannot continue to spend what we haven't earned and I hate to think of the mountain of debt a Labour government would leave for my children's generation and their children, and their children ...

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 22:38:24

.yggdrasil, you believe in a dictatorship ? Why should the PLP lie and pretend he is a great leader? He is not.

He was a leaver the party supported remain,

Why should they agree to scrapping .trident because he does

Why when militants were expelled from the party did he start a csmpaign from his home to get them bsck in?

What of the party membership he betrayed then?

Why did he greet the Momentum member who heckled a labour M.P and caused her to leave the room?

He doesn't deserve loyalty, he has never given it

I have no time from your Comrade Corbyn, he is destroying the party

Anniebach Mon 24-Apr-17 22:39:59

Good post dbB