Voting quandry

What you actually said was:, you left a word out. twisting?

I am not in the least surprised that someone whose political views are of the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports will support what she has been saying M0nica

So we now have the local elections results coming in. And it looks like ABC has prevailed and the Tories have got Councils that shouldn't have been expected. (Their merger with UKIP must have helped too.)

5 weeks to meltdown and a hard brexit. Unless people start voting for policies rather than personalities

It is this twisting of people's words

Which, while throwing accusations at others is exactly what you have done M0nica and I do hope GN are watching because I am getting really fed up of the casual and unchecked allegations.

Although your name was in the reply that was to indicate - and it was very clear - that I was replying to you. My comment not being "in the least surprised that someone whose political views are of the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports will support what she has been saying" were general. It is not all about YOU!

I did not say that my politics were the exact opposite of Anniebach's. I said that I did not share most of her political views, which is a very different thing. 'Exact opposite' assumes two parties only, a bit like football teams.

It is this twisting of people's words to mean what their opponents want them to mean and personal mud slinging, which has been so endemic in these discussions so far, that is why I have taken little or no part in them.

No voting quandary for me. Anything but Tory, preferably someone who can beat a Tory.

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Jalima, it's a forum. There are more things in the world to worry about than that.
Anyway, Annie knew what was meant. She didn't complain.

Well, you may think it's OK to talk to a third person and refer to 'she' but what I was taught is that it is bad manners unless you started the sentence with that person's name.

I have nothing to 'come off' except the sofa.

I don't think I have asked it before POGS. Perhaps you would like to show me where I have as you are using very accusatory language.

No I am not a Lib Dem. Perhaps jumping to conclusions is what has led you to your suggestion about the question I asked.

Why on earth would it worry me that Annie doesn't like Corbyn. I commented on here about the fact that a declared member of a party is so destructive towards that party but I would say that about anyone who declared their membership and then, on every single politics thread went on and on and on making comments that are destructive about that party. Making such comments on here will not change that party it just adds to the arguments of those that oppose it. I have no doubt, by the way, that Corbyn is not the next Messiah. It has only been May supporters who I have seen - even today - saying that she can do no wrong.

Come off it, Jalima. It's quite okay to say she when it's obvious. My mum used to say that too.
Yet another deflection from the point of the post.

POGS, your problem is that you cannot accept that many Labour members do like Corbyn.
I hope you are watching QT at the moment.

I was always taught that referring to someone as 'she' as in your post of 22.42 is extremely rude djen.
If I said that DM would ask 'who's she - the cat's mother?'.
And that the 'cat' was the one using that phrase.

Just one or two of many of my DM's sayings of course.

For goodness sake how many times can you two keep asking Anniebach that bloody question.

durhamjen, you are a 'return' Labour Member because of Corbyn but for years have told posters to vote for this, that and tuther party dependent on your view at the time. You advise posters to 'tactical vote' so don't even have the guts to say vote for Labour and Labour only.

GG MK 2 are you not Lib Dem?,

I have repeatedly said Anniebach and I have had some humdingers over the years but she, certainly not either of you two , has always said how she is a Labour Member/Activist.

Your problem is you cannot accept that she, like many other Labour Members, voters, PLP MP's, do not like the Corbyn/Momentum Party and is therefore at odds with your thinking he is Corbyn is the next Messiah.

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She can't be doing that, Gracesgran. She's not responding to you. Changing your posts is a response.

Are you changing my posts to suit your views AB?

Perhaps reconstructed is a better choice if words Jalima

Fat finger - statement

That is a very interesting statemeny GGMK2: she has not been supporting the party but the outliers who have done all they can to destroy that party *as it is currently constructed*

^that party as it is currently constructed^ is a phrase my family, lifelong Labour supporters, would recognise as the problem that is causing them and so many others, politicians, activists and voters, so much anguish.

Posters I have no wish to respond to posts from Gracesgran and have told her so. I do not rise to baiting

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Mine was not 'against' roses, it was a reasonable question when you reflect on all Annie has said on here; if you believe it was I am happy to report my own post and get GN to check it.

AB has put an awful lot of what she insists is what a LP member should believe and trashed the party in order to make her point so certainly not 'my party right or wrong' but is the extreme opposite of 'believe me whether I am right or wrong' any better.

I am not in the least surprised that someone whose political views are of the exact opposite of those of the party AB says she supports will support what she has been saying M0nica - she has not been supporting the party but the outliers who have done all they can to destroy that party as it is currently constructed.

Yes you may ask mines, but I can't give an answer sorry, I have never been a Tory supporter , Corbyn is for me not a person to trust and I see him as a greater danger to the Labour Party than the I see the Tory party ,

Can I ask you, Annie, if you see yourself as more anti Tory or more anti Corbyn?

Absolutely agree.

I agree with your post 100% MOnica, which ab knows.