Voting quandry

As for supporting the fight against apartheid Eleothan, I have more experience of it thsn you, unless the first man you loved was in Pretoria prison for placing his body between a child and police officers who were urinating in her, he was charged wuth obstructing the police. He died in that prison, suffered badly damaged organs, bruising and broken bones , seems he tripped , yes I got arrested outside S.A. House

He was a labour MP Eleothan, he has never been in a cabinet or shadow cabinet post,

So his csmpaign to get expelled militants back into the party is just my opinion? Wrong

He invited Sinn fen leaders to Westminster is just my opinion? Wrong again

He didn't call Hamas his friends is just my opinion? Wrong yet again

rosesarered I think we understand by now that anniebach loathes Corbyn - after all, she manages to express that opinion on virtually every political thread, however tenuous the connection may be to JC.

I am quite prepared to accept that she dislikes Corbyn. I am not prepareed to accept, without comment, that her opinion counts for fact and that those who disagree with her opinion are "traitors", "dishonest", "morally bankrupt", and all the others insults that she has thrown at me and others.

I feel rather lost following some of the views you have expressed, as an elderly chap. I am more interested in protecting my grandchildren's future, I do not see any consideration being given by Teresa May to building unity in Europe which I faught for in the 40's.
I loved the post war 40's 50's 60's &'70's before we fell under the spell of Maggie's "I am all right Jack " selfish attitudes, which unfortunately still seem to prevail In parts of the UK today.

I know I don't have many more years on this earth, but I do pray that that I will leave a better world behind than the present greedy and avarice society that Maggie created. In this election I shall vote for the candidate with the best chance to beat the Conservative and pray we will have a government that will create a fairer Society for my grandchildren and my great grandchildren to grow up in.

I don't know why posters keep on and on ( and on) at anniebach just accept that she dislikes Corbyn strongly for what he is doing to the Labour Party as no doubt millions of Labour voters feel the same, as do a great deal of Labour MP's.

ellenoo are you a Labour activist by any chance?
Look forward to reading your posts after the GE if not.

Corbyn was not in the shadow cabinet when he voted against the government - Benn was.

Do you ever travel on popular and crowded trains Anniebach? If so, I am surprised you don't recognise the scenario whereby you can't find a seat to sit in. I often have to travel on fairly crowded trains and sometimes I sit on seats that are "reserved" but it is a bit nerve-wracking waiting to see if someone claims their rightful place. Corbyn is a bit timid - and perhaps that is his undoing - but there are worse things to be.

Did you support the ANC and Nelson Mandela or did you feel whatever indignities and injustices were imposed upon black people they should bear them quietly and not revolt?

Yggdrasil, I have said many times and am sure everyone is so bored , nothing I hsve said against him is a lie,

1983 Labour suffered the most awful defeat which took fourteen years to get back from. The reason for the loss was labour had gone fsr left, the unions too powerful, strikes in the late 1970's caused rubbish piled in streets, dead couldn't be buried in some parts of the country, I suggest you look up the winter of discontent 1979. Following the defeat labour expelled Militants who had stirred up the strikes, Corbyn ran a campaign from his home to get these militants backbinbthe party,

Shortly after the Brighton bombing he invited sin fenn leaders to Westminster, regardless of the fact there were members of the house grieving

He lied on national tv about not being able to find a seat on the train

He claims to be a pacifist but supported the IRA and Hamas .

He wanted out of the EU so when we had the referendum he did little to fight with hus own party and he was leader

He voted hundreds of times against his party but sacked Hilary Benn for disagreeing with him , and complained labour MP's were not supporting him

Jamers2451 What exactly do you find "extreme" in Corbyn's policies?

I have great admiration for the Greens and would probably vote for them if I thought they stood a cat in hell's chance of being elected under this antiquated electoral system, but I think, if anything, their policies are more to the left than Labour's.

Anniebach, please would you spell out what it is you found out about Corbyn that makes you so against him.
These hints are not helpful

James, we all make mistakes, I believed Corbyn was a decent man and voted for him as leader, found I was wrong but nothing I can do to change that vote .

Somerset is so Tory but the Libs came second in all but one seat there in 2015 , I hope they regain seats this time

...my last post on the matter - everyone cheers no doubt...
If the Tories get in again this country is doomed...

I really do not understand why some people who say they would normally vote Labour are so anti Corbyn other than must be believing what the right wing media as been spreading....

Don't forget that much of the South West is being investigated as part of the Tory election fraud. It would be good to see the Libdems take control of that part of the country again, assuming that Labour are not able to.

James I wonder how many other Leave voters now feel like you. I get the feeling it is a growing number but they are not all willing to admit they were mistaken.

Before the disastrous 2015 GE, the Lib Dems held four of the five seats in Somerset -Yeovil, Somerton and Frome, Wells and Taunton and so I hope that you will vote LibDem to help defeat the Tories in your seat.

I am in a quandary, for I find it hard to forgive myself for the way I voted at the referendum. I had a complete aberration at the time by believing the propaganda of Boris and leading Brexits. Today, when I consider the damage I have helped to create for future generations I curse my own stupidity. I voted Conservative at the last election because I liked David Cameron and trusted him. I am not sure about Teresa May, I am not happy that she seems to take Older People votes for granted, her nasty arrogance at the despatch box has got to me. I don't like Corbyn or his extreme politics, though I do like David Miliband but he is not Labours leader. Therefore, I think I shall vote for the Greens or Lib Dems which ever stands in my part of Somerset. One thing I do know I will not allow myself to be hoodwinked by false propaganda again.

In your opinion GG?

If you cannot lie Annie all you have to do is preface what you say with "in my opinion" then you would be telling the truth as little of what you say is fact and much rather strong, if misguided, opinion.

I'll give you that one DJ?!

Yes, Fitzy, that is quite a problem for those who don't want Corbyn at any cost so will not vote Labour. I don't have that quandary.

Jen, you wouldn't understand, I cannot lie so if questioned on Corbyn I will explain why he is untrustworthy . One good thing is Welsh labour is concentrating on the leadership of Carwyn not Corbyn so I can say in honesty what an good leader Welsh Labour has

DJ I do agree that the new IHT rules for property are daft. I don't see that as a huge gain for the rich though, at least not in London where very ordinary families live in very ordinary houses valued at 500k or more.
I also read an article on the same subject as your guardian piece. I have to admit to a quiet chuckle.

Here's a quandary.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/30/labour-election-losses-could-strengthen-corbyn-support-policy-network

Get out and do something about it, then, Annie.