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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

daphnedill Sun 07-May-17 22:21:18

Angela Merkel has never had an overall majority. She has always been the head of a coalition. The EU couldn't care less how big May's majority is. They're not stupid and know how the UK voting system works. They won't sit down and start counting majorities before negotiations.

This election is about internal politics within the Conservative Party itself, so that May & Co can make the changes which her own back benchers have been rejecting.

Anniebach Sun 07-May-17 22:19:33

I am not responsible for canvassers in your area Eleothan

In your list of your experience of cavassers I note you do not mention a cavasser asking - who are you voting for . Asking for opinions is not the same , try it some time, best you venture out With canvassers who have experience

Eloethan Sun 07-May-17 22:05:41

anniebach I have yet to meet a political canvasser who hasn't asked me my opinion regarding the forthcoming election and made an enquiry about my voting intention.

When somebody indicates that they will be voting Labour, do you not note it down? Isn't the whole purpose of canvassing to try and estimate how well, or otherwise, your party is doing and/or to find out what proposed policies appeal to them - and to try and make sure that they do turn up to vote? Either way, I think some people would consider that to be fairly nosy, especially as those who are "doorstepped" haven't given any prior indication that they wish to discuss their political leanings with a random stranger.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:59:45

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rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:57:29

I thang kew! grin

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:55:03

Thank you Rosesarered you put it much better than I ?

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:53:34

Expressing an idea cleverly in a few words =pithy,.. yeah I like that it gets better

rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:52:33

I think it will give T May a stronger negotiating position actually.The EU officials would then know that the UK is strongly behind her.
It will also give her a better position within the Conservative government, and she would feel more confident about the sort of Brexit she would like to achieve, perhaps a softer Brexit than some others in the party would like, for example.

rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:48:41

Oscar Wilde said some pithy things alright.smile

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:24:17

A short saying intended to express a general truth. Oscar WIlde used one to say 'experience is the name everyone gives explain their mistakes '
yes I'm happy with that

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:16:30

God I will have to get the dictionary out

durhamjen Sun 07-May-17 21:14:12

Sorry, norose, but have you swallowed a book of aphorisms?

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:10:47

You are missing the point ,if she is re-elected then she cannot be accused of having the job of prime minister by default, therefore if she wins the election, no matter what happens with brexit She cannot be accused of going to the negotiations without the confidence of the country or by default & you can sure there will be someone ready to do that , those who care less about this country than their own posturings . I have no love of any party at the moment but we need to use our brains to stop Britain going down the pan

Ana Sun 07-May-17 21:07:25

x posts MaizieD

Ana Sun 07-May-17 21:05:46

Brexit's already in progress - do you really think the GE result is going to affect that? confused

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 21:03:35

I don't want to make it easy for her, I her to try & get the best for US,

There is nobody stopping her attempting to do that. We all would like the best possible outcome salvaged from this shambles. But giving her a huge majority isn't going to make any difference to Brexit. It won't impress the EU and it won't make her handling of the negotiations any different.

It is very odd to think of the opposition solely in terms of Corbyn. There are other parties, as well as perfectly sensible Labour MPs, who can unite in opposition against the tories' domestic policy. So long as they are given a chance.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:50:15

We can't afford to shoot ourselves in the foot ! I believe it's called Hobson's choice , who seriously is there left Corbyn? UKIP? (thank goodness has disappeared up its own a..,) lib dem?!

Ginny42 Sun 07-May-17 20:47:50

Snap DJ.

Ginny42 Sun 07-May-17 20:47:09

Too late after Brexit norose4. The horse will have bolted and the stable will be empty. 'Strong and stable' doesn't need to seek affirmation via a GE after 11 months.

Time to make your true feelings known is now.

durhamjen Sun 07-May-17 20:43:52

After Brexit it will be too late to make our feelings known.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:31:00

Should read. Want her to get the best for us

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:30:14

I don't want to make it easy for her, I her to try & get the best for US, no point in cutting our noses of to spite our face( there's an old saying from childhood) after Brexit is the time to make our feelings known

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 20:22:38

She isn't going to lose, noroses. It's just a question of how much she wins by. I don't think we should make it easy for her..

And, as I hinted at earlier, there is a strong section of informed 'opinion' which holds that she's not that great at Brexit anyway. It's certainly been quite a muddle so far..

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:20:42

I was for remaining that does make me unable to see that we just don't have any one else cabable of negotiation as best a deal as possible ,do you really think she is going to try & get a bad deal!!!'

Anniebach Sun 07-May-17 20:20:26

Wrong Eleothan, I never say to a voter - who are you voting for .

Speaking the truth about the leader of the Labour Party is not undermining the Labour party, as for opinions of conservative voters on here , they have a right to their opinions , for me, support or attack will not change my opinions .

And I have been more loyal to the Labour Party than the present leader has been or is now.

You expect me to be loyal to such a man? A man who isn't capable of loyalty? Never