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Voting quandry

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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

daphnedill Tue 25-Apr-17 19:18:15

Fitzy It's impossible to drawaline,which is why taxation must be progressive. At the moment, it isn't.

Marginal taxation rates for somebody moving from unemployment to employment are typically 85%. In other words, a person only gets to keep 15p of any pound earned.

Additional rate income tax for people earning over £150,000 is 45%. NICs are capped, so higher earners get to take home more than 55p of every pound earned.

Is that fair?

Caretaker Tue 25-Apr-17 19:13:29

If YOU do not give a fig about the NHS schools higher tax higher Vat lower income high crime rates much higher shopping bills higher unemployment low police numbers. Vote CONseratives they will make life far worse. Don't say you were not told.

daphnedill Tue 25-Apr-17 19:12:26

No,I can't imagine it Ninny, which is terrifying, because with Johnson as Foreign Secretary the bar is already almost at ground level.

daphnedill Tue 25-Apr-17 19:11:01

Nothing wrong with taxing and borrowing Fitzy!

Taxing is the state taking responsibility for what needs doing for all its citizens. Borrowing is necessary to create interest, without which there would be no point in saving. Pension funds couldn't exist without borrowing.

This is a fantasic time to borrow and the UK plc is still in one of the best positions to borrow cheaply. The important thing is that the money is borrowed to invest to create wealth, which is shared fairly. The UK has survived on borrowing to invest for hundreds of years.

Fitzy54 Tue 25-Apr-17 18:59:16

Well Annie, he is certainly someone who attracts significantly differing views!

Ninny, without commenting on the state of my mind, yes I can imagine that. And it's quite alarming!

Anniebach Tue 25-Apr-17 18:52:04

I cannot agree Fitzy for several reasons

ninny Tue 25-Apr-17 18:51:38

Can anyone in their right mind see Corbyn or Farron representing the UK on the world stage.

Fitzy54 Tue 25-Apr-17 18:49:48

Annie he is a man of principle. But in my view he and the current LP will will tax and borrow us into much worse trouble than we are in right now.

Lewlew - something you said caught my eye. The rich should pay their fair share. Who are the rich and how much is their fair share?

gillybob Tue 25-Apr-17 18:49:00

I too am in a quandary marbles although unless I am convinced otherwise I will probably have no alternative but to vote Conservative (although where I live a monkey could stand for Labour and they would still get in).

My late grandad would turn in his grave.

As an employer I think a vote for JC will be a nail in the coffin for small businesses in the UK and indeed for business as a whole.

I think young people are attracted to JC as he promises things to them that he will never be-able to deliver.

Anniebach Tue 25-Apr-17 18:39:00

Baffles me that some view Corbyn as a man of principle

Caretaker Tue 25-Apr-17 18:36:24

I am voting Labour or LibDems anyone other than the CONseratives or UKIP.

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 18:29:21

So those pre referendum weren't anti-remain?!

Leesa Tue 25-Apr-17 18:26:33

I cannot add anything Marbles -only to say I agree with you and feel the same.

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 18:25:47

Er...not quite sure it's the same thing. These new posters are obviously anti-tory (and probably anti-Brexit) but don't really care who we vote for as long as it's not tory.

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 18:21:19

Bit like those who appeared before the referendum to promote Brexit

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 18:20:18

Announcement - Gah!

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 18:19:45

Amazing how many new posters there suddenly are on GN following the accouncement of the GE! Wonder where they all come from...?

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 18:18:58

Ramblingrose22 if you aren't happy with the current state of the UK then why don't you just tactical vote. I would imagine the very least we could get is a coalition and at least that way the tories won't have all the say on everything, they are practically a dictatorship at the moment.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 18:15:49

Labour have already said they guarantee the rights of EU nationals in the UK from day one if they get in, and will seek reciprocal for Brits in the EU, and have stated they won't pursue a 2nd referendum, but will seek a softer exit from the EU.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 18:12:43

A vote for UKIP is a wasted vote sadly, and will help the tories I believe.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 18:05:52

Ana I don't actually think Brexit is the end to be fair, may doesn't even want it really, she knows it will be disastrous.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 18:04:46

Varian that's how I see it, and my best case scenario would be a coalition of all major parties so that most of the UK has a voice through their party.

Lazigirl said 'I do not want to belong to a party that is merely a protest party and one that never achieves power in order to change things.' Surely with this awful tory party there's a heck of a lot to protest about, and if we don't vote Labour then it's not going to help is it?

helenmabr Tue 25-Apr-17 18:02:26

IT HAS TO BE LABOUR ALL THE WAY! When you vote you vote for a parties policies surely. You only have to look at the frightening state of our hospitals and schools. Surely the sign of a good government is the fact that the society it governs is prosperous and it's ordinary people and workers are motivated and supported. That may be an ideal but good social structures are essential to a stable society.It is too easy to get distracted by personality cults. As an ex- teacher l know ( having taught in both private and state schools) that a good school is only as good as its Head and staff, and how it copes with its problem children. Jeremy Corbyn is a principled , hardworking man who l believe has shown strength and integrity in the face of horrendous attacks. This is exactly why so many young people are attracted to him precisely because he is so unlike our usual slick, lying, spin-led, politicians, who everyone is sick off because there is not a pin to choose between them. I just hope people can see through the propaganda, Save our NHS and vote labour.

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 17:28:06

'If we do end up leaving...'? Oh, I give up.

varian Tue 25-Apr-17 17:24:40

Brexit is by far the most important issue in this general election. Everything else will be affected by whether we leave the EU (we don't actually have to if we elect enough good MPs) and if we do end up leaving, what the terms are.