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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 13:33:11

And I Daphne am allowed to post my monotonous posts . I doubt my views on Corbyn will affect the voting throughout the uk , you seem to think so, a daft view sorry,

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 13:16:20

Well, I (and others) have tried to discuss policies a few times Anya, but on the whole I agree with you.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 13:15:19

ab is entitled to air her views and I am entitled to be fed up to the back teeth with the same message being repeated ad infinitum - as is GracesGran.

As an outsider, who is unlikely to vote Labour anyway, I am entitled to voice the opinion that ab's monotonous message is unlikely to do the Labour Party any good, but is likely to push people towards voting Conservative, which probably suits your agenda roses.

Anya Sat 06-May-17 13:13:02

I said this on another thread but can we not be a bit kinder to each other.

Political views, like religion, can be very strongly held. If someone really wants to win another across to their point of view, it is almost impossible on a forum like this. But it certainly won't sway people to even consider a different point of view when insults are bandied back and forth like this.

It's just like everyone is shouting at each other and no one is listening.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 13:08:43

I wasn't being rude roses; I have a long memory and, unless someone is big enough to apologise and then behave as if they mean it, I never forget and I never forgive. I have not come across anyone who has behaved as you do on here. Obviously that is just a personal view but that may explain my comment.

rosesarered Sat 06-May-17 13:00:35

Rude as ever GGM2 how do you manage to keep it up? grin

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 12:57:52

but rather share her opinion that she is fully entitled to air her views just as all other posters are entitled

[hollow laughter] particularly when noting the poster of this fairy-tale.

rosesarered Sat 06-May-17 12:52:46

ab is backed up by contributors who do not share her political views nightowl but rather share her opinion that she is fully entitled to air her views just as all other posters are entitled to do unless they they are being personally insulting.
Since ab talks about Corbyn and other politicians, then nobody should feel they have a perfect right to 'have a go' at her.

Jalima1108 Sat 06-May-17 12:39:35

To be fair GGMK2 This thread is about the quandary of how to vote and Corbyn has put many Labour voters in a quandary so perhaps that is why it has veered in that direction.
I am sure my family will grit their teeth whilst they are placing their cross and vote as they always do. But not with a glad heart.

But if May wins it could be down to all the other voters who feel they cannot do that and will vote Lib Dem

nightowl Sat 06-May-17 12:35:29

You are not being bullied Annie. Don't pretend you are some kind of martyr to the 'true Labour cause' (my italics) when in fact you are quite simply a New Labour supporter who is disappointed because New Labour no longer govern the party.

I, and I suspect several others, have chosen not to contribute much to political threads due to the personal insults you have directed towards us, backed up by contributors who do not share your political views but who see you as an ally against Labour.

I could claim I was 'bullied' off the forum but I wasn't, and it's a cheap shot to play.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 12:20:38

It is a lie Jen? You didn't tell me to shut up when I posted about Corbyn, I have never told you to shut up, often wished it when your links from bloggers are posted but never sunk to telling you to shut up. I have never told anyone to shut up, I respect their freedom to post their opinions . I ignore baiting posts, perhaps I should reply with - shut up?

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 12:14:37

"Jen enjoys insulting anyone who doesn't worship at the shrine of her hero Corbyn"

And this has nothing to do with it, either, does it not, POGS?

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 12:14:36

Flies to manure? - did amuse me, it was a light hearted comment.

I was born in Merthyr grin is it a crime not to be proud of you home town?

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 12:10:03

Eleothan, all I have said against Corbyn has been facts , my opinion is I do not trust him .

POGS Sat 06-May-17 12:07:31

Eloethan

"Having just applauded Beammeupscottie for referring to people who support Corbyn as "flies on manure","

This is a rerun of the accusation over the intent of the Merthyr grin by AB yesterday.

"Anniebach
"He [Corbyn] does seem to attract women Beam

Beammeupscottie
"Like flies to manure?

That is not calling people who support Corbyn as 'flies on manure", it is mocking I agree , it is about the observation we have all noticed over a period of time Corbyn 'was' surrounded by women so often when making / using the media to promote himself.

Quite a different interpretation but this happened yesterday with the Merthyr /grin debacle which also twisted a post to suit.

Eloethan Sat 06-May-17 11:52:52

You are not being bullied anniebach. Some people are responding to your incessant denigration of Corbyn - with your opinions dressed up as facts - and talking down on this site of the Labour Party.

Having just applauded Beammeupscottie for referring to people who support Corbyn as "flies on manure", I think you perhaps need to reflect on your own behaviour.

But, of course, I am just one more person that you choose to "ignore" on this site because my views don't correspond with yours.

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 11:49:26

Not surprised, daphne. Not the sort of uniqueness I want, though.
Although the Tories do not control Northumberland, by a long straw!

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 11:42:16

I agree with you dj. There's a HUGE amount of biased reporting. By its very nature, reporting is biased, which is why everybody should be aware of the agenda behind anything which is written or said.

I read a tweet about Durham, so checked it out and thought "WTF was all that about ?", although I think Durham is now the only Labour controlled shire council.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 11:39:26

I have never been a former labour supporter Daphne, never voted for another party , never abstained from voting.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 11:35:27

Another thread turned into the AB anti-Corbyn thread. I do wish we could be allowed to continue with the OP of threads. sad

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 11:27:09

There's an awful lot of biased reporting around as well. I've read quite a few times on local sites that Labour nearly lost Durham Council - only a twenty seat majority!

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 11:22:05

Of course there many former Labour voters saying the same and some of them are being pragmatic and saying they think Corbyn is a wally, but they're still voting for the party, which is bigger than one person - or even the small group supporting him. If they have a good MP, they're working hard to support him/her (with tongues firmly bitten).

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 11:20:07

Niggly,I was so angry ,he refused to withdraw the comment so I resigned the chair, I would not tolerate such a vile comment. I want Corbyn out but do not wish him illness of any sort.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 11:17:56

I expect there are very many Labour supporters saying the same as anniebach online, in the media and with other Labour activists and voters.

But what is their intention in doing this Jalima. Do they want May to win? Because they are helping her do that and it seems a strange aim for a person who believes themselves to be fundamentally Labour.

Are they prepared to lose this most important of elections just to take the party away from those who have voted for Corybn? I really don't understand the intention they have but as sure as eggs is eggs they will hand the election to May.

nigglynellie Sat 06-May-17 11:10:33

annie, be it far from me to interfere, but perhaps it's a bit drastic to wish a massive heart attack onto anyone?! Surely resignation would do??!!!!!