Should you vote Liberal?

Careful -you're not supposed to criticise brexit. The angry brexiters will tell you to "pack it in!"

Indeed Jen. You get the feeling that they may be aware they have conned the country once but could not do it again.

An excellent article and interview, Gracesgran.
I agree with the response that says true democracy would be having another vote when we know the scale of Brexit.
After all, what are the Brexiters afraid of?

Nick Clegg claims Brexit campaign ‘was biggest con trick in politics’

Mind, Corbyn is good with children, too. Have you seen him reading Going on a Bear Hunt?

There's a thing. Should I vote for Tim or not?
The problem is, up here, voting for libdems could let a Tory in!

Children and dolls! That's a good one.

It's also Liberation Day in the Channel Isles, and Peace Day in Armenia tomorrow.
Careful on Wednesday - Beltane full moon.

Yes, it is. Banksy has said it's one of his. The workman is chiselling off one of the stars

Here you go...

Is that the Dover wall, daphne?

Maybe not, but I'm sure he does fluffy kittens!

It's Europe Day tomorrow. Celebrate while you still can!

Has he passed the children test? I can't recall seeing him with children.

Tim is actually quite good on TV and is improving. I think he comes over as sincere and enthusiastic. Those aren't bad characteristics when so many politicians seem scripted.

I have just watched Julie Etchingham's interview with Tim Farron on ITV. I thought it was brilliant. If you are cynical about all politicians this interview could change your mind. Tim Farron is an exceptional politician offering a vision of a better Britain.

Probably, although having the front runner ruin his chances by having a policy for rectitude and virtue blown by being found with his fingers in the till was a major contributor to his success.

The other thing is that the French do not have the rigid party system we have and while there are two big parties, the country has a history of new groups coming to prominence, wielding power and fading. More recently we have seen the rise from nothing of populist parties in Spain, Greece and Italy and Macron calculated the time was right in France.

"The political rhetoric of both main parties is so limited and boring."

Do you think that is why the French ended up having to choose their president from non-mainstream parties?

This is what is happening at the moment, Monica.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sunday-times-rich-list-billionaires-wealthiest-worth-658-billion-a7722166.html

If you look at taxresearch, you will see the Tory party does not intend to make the situation any more equitable.

That's a reasonable answer Maizie d.

No there isn't a problem in changing your mind in the face of evidence, I just don't understand what the evidence is to do such a U Turn..

Thank you for replying.

Perhaps, POGS the Lid Dems have taken a long hard look at what leaving the EU really means and decided that the evidence shows that it's too damaging to the UK to proceed with.

There's nothing wrong with changing one's mind in the face of evidence.

So nobody can answer my question today at 11.45 .

" So when, why , what changed the Liberal Democrats stance over wanting an EU Referendum". (2008)

I thought this thread would give me some answers as it was about the Lib Dems but I guess nobody knows why either.

I was hoping a Lib Dem Member could explain.

If I knew I would be sharing it with all. But I cannot believe that there isn't a system that is fair to all, encourages investment and provides a fair tax system.

The political rhetoric of both main parties is so limited and boring.

So what is the intelligent constructive thinking about the problem?

I know that and have not suggested anything else, but there is no point in killing the goose that lays the golden egg and I am sure with a bit of intelligence it is not past the capacity of the various experts to find ways of ensuring that those on the largest incomes and the biggest corporation pay their fair share of taxation while keeping them in this country.

It is just that both the main political parties have such limited political vocabularies that we are stuck with Labour shouting 'Soak the rich' and Tories shouting they will protect the wealth generators that it is quite impossible for either to actually think intelligently or constructively about the roblem.

They're mostly moving out of the UK because of Brexit, Monica.

And the very rich have been minimising their tax obligations for years and years. They'll just find a way round any new taxes.