Should you vote Liberal?

LibDems have pledged a 1p tax rise to raise £6bn for the NHS and social care. Good! It's about time somebody was honest and faced up to what's needed and placed the burden on income tax rather than NICs, which only affects working age people.

For many of us there will be an opportunity to cast a vote tomorrow - in local elections or metro mayor elections.

I hope that as many as possible who have had enough of this arrogant and incompetent duopoly will not vote for Tory or Labour candidates but support the Liberal Democrats.

This man's anger has been generated by a section of the media. He does not come across as well informed or balanced. I wonder which newspaper he reads?

Well done Tim for keeping your cool with him and not avoiding him, unlike TM who is only ever seen with her fawning acolytes. I know which one comes across as a strong party leader, and it's not TM.

He sounds like a very caring careworker, Gracesgran. I can't beleiev he voted Labour all his life, and he had no idea that Libdems wanted to stay in, as he was blaming Farron for the cost of coming out.
By the time the election comes, he might be even more confused and not vote for anyone!

Have you seen the video of Tim Farron and Malcolm. Brilliant - real people and real politics.

The party’s membership has now hit a record all-time high, topping 101,768.

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Make votes matter.

From the LD FaceBook page:

Nick Clegg announced today that the Liberal Democrat manifesto will include a commitment to a referendum on the final Brexit deal. That referendum will offer two choices; accept the deal or remain in the EU. Liberal Democrats will campaign for a Remain vote.

General Election 2017: Nick Clegg sets out Lib Dem EU Remain bid

I can't encourage the Tories varian and I can't move quickly enough to get a LD vote that would count.

It all feels very negative which I think is what some of the politicians want.

I suggest you ask your Labour candidate whether he or she supports PR before you vote.

I would vote LD too Cindersdad but will have to vote Labour in order to do my best (but probably not good enough) to keep the Tories out of my constituency. If I moved a couple of miles down the road I could vote LD and know it might really make a difference but that is not how it should be. I have a feeling I would much more happily vote Labour this time if they were offering PR - it would be better for them now so why not.

I have realised T May is just a highly paid administrator, she is not a leader, To be honest, she has not always (ever?) hit her targets as a good administrator would so not that good in that position. She is good at keeping her head down though. As a politician there is just nothing there. I have said it before but it was made for the woman; fine words butter no parsnips.

My view for whatit's worth. I'd vote LD simply because they absolutely oppose Brexit which in my view is a total disaster. The only reason for not doing so is that it might split the ante Tory vote. I know that LD are unlikely to win where I live and that Labour will probably win again.

If Labour can form a Governement, again unlikely, there is a chance that the next election may be PR based. FPTP favours the Tories too much. Besides I don't believe much of what TM says.

Sounds incredibly like the Green Party Core Values, Varian.

policy.greenparty.org.uk/core-values.html

Until the parties publish their manifestos, we should rely on statements of principles.

The Liberal Democrat approach is taken from the Agenda 2020 Working Group’s publications and was principally authored by Duncan Brack.

"Liberal Democrats stand for liberty, the freedom of every individual to make their own decisions about how best to live their lives. We trust people to pursue their dreams, to make the most of their talents and to live their lives as they wish, free from a controlling, intrusive state and a stifling conformity; a free and open society that glories in diversity is a stronger society. We stand for equality, for the right of everyone to be treated equally and with equal respect, whatever their personal characteristics; and in the duty of the state to create the conditions in which individuals and their communities can flourish. We stand for community, for dispersing political and economic power as widely as possible, for government works best when it is closest to its citizens. Since we believe in the worth of every individual, we are internationalists from principle, seeking cooperation, not confrontation, with our neighbours. And since we believe that future generations have the same rights as we do to live their lives in the ways they choose, we aim to create an environmentally sustainable economy and society, where people live in harmony with the natural world. Holding these beliefs, Liberal Democrats are instinctively on the side of the individual against concentrations of power, free thinking, unimpressed by authority and unafraid to challenge the status quo."

Fortunately for them, Gracesgran, my children and grandchildren are quite cosmopolitan anyway, so not worried about whether they would have to go abroad.
My eldest son was made redundant last year, so he can go and teach in Europe when his wife gets treated the same way.
In fact if they all go ahead with their plans, I might end up having to get a passport again, having been without one for over ten years.
Got to look at things positively.

None of my (our) young people think they'll have to leave the country to get a job. Are your young people somehow different or more 'qualified'?

Just talking at home Jen, about our young people thinking they will have to leave the country to get a job, the unnecessary deaths in Care that are already happening and how I would be able to pay for my medical care when the day comes. Rather depressing if it wasn't for my family being with me.

I agree that if we continue down the route set out for us it may well happen Jen.

Gracesgran, I think Richard Murphy has also predicted what Vince Cable did.
I do hope they are not right, but fear they might be.

And you - don't see you posting much on this thread durhamjen...

Go on then, off you go.....

I'll await the manifesto .....

Don't actually care...

Yes, I imagine so Ana but ww is off on her hols now so we may never know.

Except that this one appears to be the first thread she started. Probably forgot...