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Should you vote Liberal?

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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 12:37:01

Here we go then. I am going to outline all the information I can get hold of without the flim flam and criticism of other parties.

Other folks are more than welcome to join in - but I would ask you keep it as objective as possible without the temptation of trashing the opposition. We can do that on other threads. I always bite off more than I can chew so will appreciate help -cheers!!

This stuff has been kindly donated by another gran whose name escapes me at the moment but I will add it later.

The following can be described as a statement of intent - it isn't the manifesto, so it can be compared to the manifesto when it gets published

Economy/Business
We intend to achieve a growing stable economy

1. Ensure regional growth
2. Embrace new technology
3. Belief in globalisation
4. Live within our means
5. Sensible deficit reduction - but also productive investment in infrastructure, skills and training.
6.Fair corporate tax code - multi-nationals must pay their fair share
7. Help entrepreneurs and small business

Health
We believe in the National Health free at the point of use

1 Additional investment as a matter of urgency
2 we have called for a cross Party commission to look how we can deliver sustainable development for health care in the longer term
3 Belief in healthcare for all both physical and mental health
When in government we ensured additional investment plus the first ever treatment waiting standard for mental health
4. Support to introduce a regulated cannabis market.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 30-Apr-17 13:21:43

I imagine Grumppa, although I don't know, that having started the others and found the information we have so far on what the parties are offering for us she just did it differently without thinking. Does it really matter?

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 20:54:55

I know that, Ana. Just trying to inject a bit of humour.

Ana Fri 28-Apr-17 20:22:14

That wasn't the question. Why aren't all three threads either 'should I' or should you'?

Although whitewave doesn't appear to be here at the moment.

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 20:18:56

Grumppa, I think she would have got stick if she had said "should one....?"

Jalima1108 Fri 28-Apr-17 20:15:40

It is possible to support a different party from friends, family, aquatances, without sharpening claws
grin DH and I could come to blows (metaphorically speaking of course) and DB is on the other end of a phone.

grumppa Fri 28-Apr-17 20:12:28

The other two threads are Should I ..... This one is Should You..... Any particular reason, whitewave?

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 19:05:32

Zac Golsmith is standing in his old seat!
Good reason to vote liberal in that constituency.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 28-Apr-17 19:04:50

Vince Cable predicts second economic storm

As this article starts:
Remember back in 2003, when Vince Cable was saying that at some point the economy would collapse because of the amount of consumer credit? Well, he was right then and he’s now saying that we could be up for another Brexit fuelled crash.
you may find it worth a read.

Anniebach Fri 28-Apr-17 18:33:03

It is possible to support a different party from friends, family , aquatances, without sharpening claws

GracesGranMK2 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:15:32

Interesting to hear Vince Cables view on the Economy.

Jalima1108 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:15:29

Rachel Johnson Joins Lib Dems In Extraordinary Rebuff To Brother Boris Over Brexit
(Huff Post)

Is she not allowed to make up her own mind?
Why is it rebuffing her brother?
She said at the time of the referendum that the family were pro-Remain and that she spent a weekend with Boris as he agonised over his decision.
Are family members not allowed to think differently and respect each other's views?

The press publishes a load of twaddle.

Jalima1108 Fri 28-Apr-17 18:11:53

Well, Stanley must have changed then
He is a former Conservative member of the European Parliament (MEP)
and stood for Parliament as a Tory in 2005:
The Liberal Democrat MP in Teignbridge, Richard Younger-Ross, was defending a 3,000 majority against the Tory candidate Stanley Johnson, father of the Tory MP Boris Johnson.

M0nica Fri 28-Apr-17 15:47:39

and now we hear that if the Conservatives win the election, Teresa May may well take the opportunity to boot Boris out of the Cabinet.

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 12:38:58

Here's an interesting list, for those who want a Libdem resurgence.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/04/election-2017-30-mps-risk-lib-dem-surge

I think Stanley changed his mind about the Tories because of environmental concerns.

varian Fri 28-Apr-17 12:21:29

Her Dad, Stanley was a Tory MEP and is very strongly pro-EU.

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 12:13:08

Apparently her dad and the other brother are liberals, too.
Family gatherings must be good at the moment. Or maybe there aren't any until the election is over.

varian Fri 28-Apr-17 12:05:30

Yes, you should vote Liberal Democrat says ex-Tory Rachel Johnson, one of the many new party members.

www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/27/rachel-johnson-joins-lib-dems-and-may-stand-in-general-election-member-tory-brexit

She may want to stand as a LibDem candidate but I don't think she will be accepted as party rules require candidates to have been members for at least a year. She would certainly be an improvement on either of her Tory MP brothers.

durhamjen Tue 25-Apr-17 20:44:47

It came from the government. It was a government scheme for two years.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/184047/DFE-RR227.pdf

158 pages for you to read to find out how effective it was.
It would cost County Durham about £4 million a year.

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 20:26:28

Not fees, meals!

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 20:25:52

Oh, so not because some schools had to actually install new kitchens to provide these free school fees? And employ more staff?

Where did that money come from if not from council tax? Did the LibDems kindly donate money to all schools to pay for their gesture of largesse?

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 20:20:43

Snap!!!!

varian Tue 25-Apr-17 20:20:01

Council tax went up because of Tory Government cuts.

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 20:19:18

Council tax went up because of the cuts

Ana Tue 25-Apr-17 20:16:51

The LibDems still failed to fulfil their promise to those who voted for them.

And their idea of providing free school meals to primary school children in years 1 and 2 cost county councils a ridiculous amount of money. No wonder council tax went up.

durhamjen Tue 25-Apr-17 20:14:32

www.24housing.co.uk/news/lib-dems-to-bring-housing-benefit-back-for-18-20-year-olds/