Should I vote Labour

What's the point of posting on a political thread and telling people to get a life?
Just go and get a life if you don't agree with the thread.

Beam
Thank you for that, exactly as I thought. And yes, it is sad.

I also think political zealotry is sad. I read these people and think "get a life".

As an ex-teacher, I cannot but agree. The teaching profession is trained to instil information into students and at times is a pain in the ass as it can't get over this, loving to pontificate and put people right. I am always telling myself to button it as few people are now interested in what I say. My Grandaughters are with me as I type, doing their exam revision. They occasionally ask me something and I try to give an answer (if I know It) in as few words as possible.
The worst kind of teachers are the left-wingers, who sneer at Industry and Commerce, believing they hold a moral high ground. They do not.

I agree!!!

* thatbags*

Political zealotry is very like religious zealotry, I think, niggly.

For the record I do not hold the teaching profession in contempt and I have certainly not said so. What I have said is that contrary to popular opinion on these threads, there are people that pursue other professions who can hold a valid opinion other than a left wing one, and that being a teacher does not somehow make you and your opinions superior to other peoples.

Fit for human habitation bill? Philip Davies, a private landlord, talked it out so there was no more time for it to go the next stage.
He's also the MP who thinks that men are hard done by. I hope he really gets hard done by and loses his seat.

This looks interesting.

"This is how renting a house or flat works in Sweden. Imagine if the law were the same in England!

You find a flat, go through a credit check and get a contract with no expiry date. If you pay the rent and don't trash the flat or act anti-socially, you just keep on living there until you want to move. When you decide to move, you have to give the landlord three months' notice and pay rent all through the period of notice, even if you move out before the end of it.

When you move out, the flat has to be spotlessly clean (including in places you didn't even realise were places). Before you move out, the caretaker will come and inspect the flat with you, noting the condition of the fittings and decoration. If the landlord decides that there is more than normal wear-and-tear in the condition of the flat or if they decide that the flat isn't clean enough, the tenant is charged for making it good (so when the next tenant comes in, the flat will be in tip-top condition).

If the landlord ignores warnings to deal with problems in the flat, the tenants can open an escrow account with the County Council and pay their rent into that. The County Council will then use that money to make good any faults and, ultimately, can even take control of the flats for a fixed period. Mould and damp would definitely trigger an immediate visit from the public health inspector and a court order to make everything good, on pain of an ongoing fine (say £500 per day until the work has been started and £10,000 if it isn't finished by a set date).

Rents are fixed by an independent local rent tribunal and are based on 'use value', rather than 'market value', so a two-bedroom flat of 75 square metres will cost much the same wherever you are, unless there's something to justify a higher or lower rent (such as a recent renovation)"

Shame we can't have something similar here.

What was the law the Tories rejected?

think-left.org/2017/05/01/international-labour-day/

Although I would not blame the Cons entirely for the state of housing, I do blame them for the issues in many other areas and I really worry about the need to go through, yet again, all the pieces having to be picked up from their disastrous terms in power as we always do.

WE NEED A NEW SYSTEM!

Petra wrote" Sadly those days are gone and never to return."
But when you look at the last few hundred years of english* history the "upper classes" have always been in power. Except for those few decades after WW2 when everyone was hard up, tired of fighting for survival.
Then back to the same old imbalance of power.
*I say english because it doesn't seem to apply so much as to Scotland Wales and Ireland.

And on another note. Spoke to someone earlier who said his wife was an intensive care nurse. And that everyone, even the consultants, some of whom are normally Tory, are going to vote Labour this time, they are so disgusted and worried about what the Tories are doing to NHS in England.

It's not a lot to ask is it, that landlords should provide accommodation that is fit for human habitation. Hot water (preferably not at a huge cost), heating (ditto) walls not so damp that they are a risk to health, free of infestations.
There has been talk for years about legislation that will go a bit further than this - a law that landlords have to improve the fuel efficiency of their properties so that the poorest tenants do not have to pay a fortune to heat their homes. Successive governments have baulked.
There is an awful lot of fuel poverty around. People spending a large % of their income to keep warm. Lack of insulation combined with inefficient heating systems.
Some of those suffering this awful housing are students.

Your comments were very much my thoughts on hearing the Cons reply to the LP announcement Eloethan. So landlords will be fined if they do not provide housing fit for habitation and the only reply the Cons can make is "that will make renting more expensive".

So, we don't do anything; we just continue to let them offer housing that is unfit an then allow them to pass any fines on to the tenants. Surely the Con supporters on here can see there has to be a better way than that. This sounds like a return to Rachmanism.

durhamjen
Stone me, I didn't see that one coming: Head teachers support Corbyn. What next: the popes catholic.

Don't expect nellie to take seriously anything that's said by members of the teaching profession. She has made it clear they're all to be held in contempt.

Eloethan
How true, and wonderful caring honest people they were. I'm afraid that most of the people who want to rule us couldn't hold a candle to them. Sadly those days are gone and never to return.

Headteachers understand.

skwawkbox.org/2017/05/01/corbyns-a-from-head-teachers-shows-who-to-trust-with-education-video/

Niggly, read the thread title.

Well said, Eloethan.

Annie, the Labour Party tried to get a law passed to make private landlords accept their responsibilities to their tenants.
Tories rejected it. How many Tory MPs are private landlords?

Do you think the Labour Party was wrong in trying to do that?

I didn't say what you claim Eleothan.

Perhaps you would like to reply to my post to Jen re fining private landlords?

It was "real life" when people were sent to the workhouse and children died because their parents could not afford to pay for a doctor. If people in the Labour Party had just sat back and said "That's how life is, there's nothing we can do about it", we wouldn't have the NHS, state pensions, slum clearance, health and safety standards, etc. etc.

So M.D. you clearly approve of fee paying schools for the rich, but the melting pot for the rest. Well at least that's that query cleared up!!
dj why is it that you keep on and on pestering people about their voting preferences and their reasons?. They're not going to tell you, because, strangely, it's not your business, or anyone else's come to that