Should I vote Labour

Here's some of today's Times "right-wingness" for you, jen, by Matt Chorley:
"Praise be, then, for the Lib Dems and their ability to generate news of no benefit to themselves whatsoever. This is a welcome contrast to the predictable, automaton-led Tory campaign. Theresa May’s performances are so robotic her aides no longer program her with the name of the place she is in, leading her to say in one interview that she was “pleased to come to . . . this particular town”. They just unpack her in an empty factory, press the button marked “coalition of chaos” and point her in the direction of grinning Tories wearing blue T-shirts over their ties.".

The previous paragraph was taking the piss over some recent LibDem sillinesses (as MC sees it).

He takes the piss on the sainted Jeremy as well.

Seems fairly balanced to me. I don't do one-sided judgmentalism. Well, if I ever do and become aware of it, I'm ashamed of it.

Try reading the Times leader articles, jen, over a period of time. I think a lot of people think the Times is right-wing because of its owner. The owner is not the editor. As I've said before, I found articles arguing both sides of the Brexit debate in about equal proportion. Can that be said of any other newspaper?

But, yeah, I'm one of those terrible "right-wing" lifelong Labour voters who thinks Corbyn as leader is a disaster, so do carry on with your stupid misconceptions.

Ah. Thanks, anya.

PS. Most of the Guardian's journalists are opposed to Corbyn and have been since the day he first became leader, although they don't usually indulge in pathetic smears.

Actually,you can get more right wing than the Times. The Express was blaming the EU for the rise in women's pensions ages in 1995.

Just off to buy my Guardian.

You must read different articles in the Guardian to me, then, Annie. I don't see it as supporting Labour.
When was the last time you read an Owen Jones article?

Running articles by Blair saying he expects May to be next PM is not supporting Corbyn.

I was told the Guardie decided to support labour because no other paper was , so they could increase their sales being seen to stand for Corbyn and sell more copy to the far left supporters .

You don't read the right wing press, thatbags?
You often put links to the Times. Can't get much more right wing than that.

I too want a labour government but fear Corbyns plans to replace the labour democrate party with a Militant party. He cannot be trusted and is too dependant on Momentum . He even has to have notes to read at PMQ, who writes them! His closest advisor is the chap who formed Momentum

The 'should' was taken from the previous poster Bags

I know four people who joined (or re-joined) the LP in order to vote for Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Those four were enthused by his socialist stance and saw him as principled. All four of them now see him as a disaster for the LP and no longer believe he is the principled individual he claims to be.
I stayed in the LP for 18 months after his election as leader because he had a large mandate. At our local meeting, I said I'd support him for a year, we're a small group and 50% of those at the meeting shared my view. They left the LP before I did, all of them long term Labour supporters.
I wish I didn't feel as I do. This country needs a Labour government for the reasons set out by JessM so don't need repeating here.
I will vote for our sitting Labour MP, who like Ben Bradshaw was threatened with de-selection and called a back stabbing *** for being one of the 170 plus MP's who voted no confidence.

Yet never a suggestion that Corbyn should have left the Labour Party years ago Eleothan

anya, agreed, except about the 'should' part. In a free society people can choose whether to fight for reform from within a political party or from without it. Both are acceptable.

www.devonlive.com/a-letter-from-ben-bradshaw-a-vote-for-me-will-not-affect-who-governs-nationally/story-30295011-detail/story.html

Yes Jalima, that Ben Bradshaw who has been under the threat of deselection from the start and who is on Corbyns hit list

Suggesting that those who disagree wth the way their party is run should leave is not what democracy is about. One should stay and try to resolve issues from within.

I guess I don't read right wing press as I've never seen any unsubstantiated claims about Jeremy Corbyn. At least, claims that I have seen have appeared to be substantiated by evidence. Could you give an example of what you mean, please, eloethan?

durhamjen I read an interview with Jack Monroe in either the Metro or the Evening Standard a week or so ago. She made the same nasty and unsubstantiated comments about Corbyn that are seen in the right wing press.

People can vote for whoever they want and, unless they make a point of telling others, nobody will know who they are voting for. I think it is a private decision but, as a current member of the Labour Party, I would personally feel uncomfortable voting for another party. I also don't feel it is right if you are a member of a particular party to urge other people to vote for another party.

It is essential that people from within a party are free to express their views and to vote against measures which they feel go against the core values of the party - but not to sabotage and disrupt in order to publicly destabilise the party. I do not think it is acceptable during an election campaign for people to belittle, ridicule and generally badmouth the party of which they are a member. If they really feel so distanced from the party that they have a burning need to "put the boot in", then I believe they should consider whether it is right to snipe anonymously from within the party or whether it would be more honest to leave the party and express their opposition openly.

The only Labour MP to oppose on that list is Kate Hoey, and her CLP do not want her, but can't get rid of her unless she stands down of her own accord.

labourlist.org/2017/04/labour-dominates-the-list-of-mps-which-open-britain-aims-to-save-on-june-8/

This link has been on three times.
If it's worth saying....

Ben Bradshaw is not going to be deselected. Nobody is.
He is on the list of MPs to be voted for as he is one of the top remainers.

sorry, don't know why it did that!!

But if it's worth saying, it's worth saying three times

Sorry, de-selection list
the list that shouldn't have gone out but did

Ben Bradshaw? Labour, Exeter
On Corbyn's hit list

Ben Bradshaw? Labour, Exeter

On Corbyn's hit list.