Should I vote Labour

The training providers need a kick up the backside - just as the work programme providers for the unemployed do. In fact, I'd give the work programme providers such a big kick, they might end up somewhere in the ocean!

I think I might ask Brigitte Macron how I can find myself a toyboy to stand in the next election. Hmm...

Aha! But if I were PM, he could take his "student grant" at any time, just as university students can. You wouldn't have to pay him at all, because he could live on his grant and the government would pay the college fees. I haven't read all the details, but I think that's what Labour's lifelong learning account (or whatever it's called) is all about. That's how teacher training courses work.

Of course it's nothing like the 1970s! That's just Project Fear from the tabloids.

It undoes things which should never have been done in the first place. I'm disappointed that it doesn't go even further on education and abolish free schools and academies - or at least stop any more from being set up. It wouldn't cost anything, because overpaid academy chain could be sacked and local authorities could pool resources as they did in the past, rather than individual schools duplicating roles by having an army of administrators. Maybe schools could sell the bibles Michael Gove sent them - who says the Conservatives are responsible?

Our apprentice is older than 21 daphnedill so wouldn't qualify anyway. I do want to pay him, but not £10 per hour plus NI and I would like something back in return. I object to paying the apprentice broker (training provider) £10,000 on top of this for ticking a couple of boxes every year.

Interesting to see that the normally partisan Laura Kuenssberg had to admit in a piece on the Beeb that this draft manifesto is nothing like the 1970s.

She also says in an article on the Beeb website "But it's clear as day that this will be an election where voters will not be able to say "they're all the same"."

I am now looking forward to seeing what the other parties come up with and the finalised version of the Labour one.

yggdrasil I thought about that after I'd posted and you're right, of course. Not only do French and German state companies own utilities and services such as the railway and post, but they own ours too!

The intention with the railways would be to take them back into state control when the current franchises run out.

As far as I can work out with gas/electricity, the idea is to provide a nationalised choice in every region, not to buy out current owners.

Another idea is to nationalise the pipework.

None of this is large scale nationalisation, whatever the Tory tabloids scream on their front pages.

As for student loans and grants, I could scream! No matter how hard people try to explain that it wouldn't cost that much and there would be gains, there are those who just don't want to listen.

Restricting pension contribution tax relief to basic rate could save £8 billion alone, which would pay for every 18-21 year old to be given a grant to pay for higher education or training at an appropriate level, which would save you money gillybob, because you wouldn't have to pay your apprentice.

I am not playing Annie. Are you really saying that you have been so very anti Union all the time you have been in the Labour Party?

GG, I have no idea who is asking the question, a group of posters or a single poster related to queenie

I never answer questions when it is asked by a spokesperson for a group

You are aiming off again Annie. Is there an answer to my original question?

GG, are you speaking for a group of posters when you say 'we' or do you use the Royal 'we' Knew that head banging was unwise

Perhaps it would help if we could understand your views. Your views, as far as I can understand them, do not seem like any labour views I have seen put forward. I don't believe I am not the only one who reads them like that. You have made little attempt to explain what you do believe in but just run down the current democratically voted leader so I am left feeling I will never know because you will not or cannot explain.

It is noticeable that you preferred to talk about heads and brick walls rather than answer a simple question which I would have thought a strong Labour supporter could answer in their sleep.

When McDonald spoke about his O2 'f**** losers' comment on labour MP's he said - I was a naughty boy . Seems it's a popular word with the inner circle

Oh god, how twee...

Brilliant. Going into the meeting about the manifesto, they were all asked about the leak.
Response, "That was naughty, wasn't it?"

I am quite aware you were referring to your head GG. which I suggested you should avoid brick walls , not to do so is most unwise.

Some of ours are controlled by French and German state companies!

DD < I know that we can't renationalise the railways until the UK leaves the EU. >
Actually we could. Both German and French railways are state controlled

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Paul Mason on the leaked manifesto.

Politics by headline example Daphne. Apparently the Cons are saying that the Labour manifesto will "take us back to the 70s". A bit of a cheek when all they have done so far and all they have said they will do seems intended to take us back to the 50s!

It's my head and your views are the brick wall Annie. I really don't understand where you are coming from with your flavour of 'Labour' it sounds so much more like conservatism to me and, of course, if that were true, you would be at odds with Jeremy Corbyn.

Reasons to vote Labour if you or people you know have problems getting decent housing.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/labours-100000-homes-pledge-makes-leaked-manifesto/

Reasons to vote Labour if you are disabled or have long-term illnesses.

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The Tories just take money away from you.

At the recent UNITE leadership contest, 12% of members voted , not McClusky devotees are they

dd - I agree with you about the "politics by headline" - that's why I try to dig a bit deeper to see what it all means.

No, I most certainly am not a Brexiteer, and I know that we can't renationalise the railways until the UK leaves the EU. I don't recall even saying that I support it - just pointing out that it wouldn't cost as much as people think.

I just have a problem with "politics by headline".

PS. dbDB77 I'm not a Labour voter.