You are quite welcome to give reasons why people should vote conservative on this thread.
It might be a first for either of you.
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Certainly if you only go by what you read on this site, and especially this thread, it's obviously durhamjen's mission to post as many off-putting links and comments as she can, but it's always been the same.
So many were so shocked and tramatised after the tories won the last GE, you'd think they'd taken it personally!
Cindersdad if you move in only Labour circles, then that is what you will hear, only good things about Labour.
why are you amazed that millions don't view politics the way that you do?
We all have different views on it.
The Conservatives are likely to win the GE with an increased majority, just because you don't read much in their favour on this forum means zilch.
This is why you shouldn't vote Tory.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/28/corbyn-johnson-mugwumps-negative-young-people
This is the party you trust with our defences, the one that says they will fire first?
www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/tories-support-pre-emptive-nuclear-war/
www.thecanary.co/2017/04/28/breaking-dark-money-hsbc-won-conservatives-2010-general-election/
This is the party you trust with the economy?
No you shouldn't vote Tory.
www.thecanary.co/2017/04/27/every-promise-conservative-party-broken-since-last-general-election-video/
I wonder if that catch phrase will back fire on Theresa, we can only hope so.
Durhamjen's point about looking at the bookies is well made. I don't bet either but the books seem more likely to predict the outcome of elections than the opinion polls.
Just heard a reporter saying that TM will use her "catch phrase" of S & S in Scotland today. The one thing it isn't is catchy - or the truth!
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/apr/28/headteacher-and-deputy-send-resignation-letter-to-parents-longparish-primary-school-hampshire
Very brave of them. We need more to do this.
I assume they do not vote Tory.
"It did not take genius to predict that the UK GDP figures just published would be poor. As I have been blogging over the last few weeks, all the signs were there.
And they are poor: growth has fallen to 0.3% in the quarter whilst the year on year trend falls below expectation. If you take GDP as a sign of virility (and the government, at least, does) then this is a bad sign, especially as there is little or no prospect of things getting better this quarter because of an election.
Whether that then gives rise to a summer bounce depends largely on what the EU demands of the UK immediately thereafter as Brexit negotiations really get going. My suspicion is that nothing they say will lift UK spirits and that as a result this downturn is not a blip but part of a trend. And that’s bad news and the clearest indication yet of the self-inflicted wound that Theresa May wants to contaminate with a large majority."
Another reason not to vote Tory.
From taxresearch.
Good news! Boris has lost his pet project, the Garden Bridge.
touchstoneblog.org.uk/2017/04/quarter-million-insecure-work-end-next-parliament/
This is what you will get if you vote Tory.
Tory strategy is to privatise it, allow companies to make profit from it. If it does not have money thrown at it now, not waiting to have another strategy, it will disappear.
Most people do not want that. I agree with you, Jess, about the NHS.
Interesting to look at the betting odds rather than the polls, Cindersdad.
I've never put a bet on in my life, but odds of 50/1 for Libdems against 500/1 for Ukip make much more sense.
I am mystified as to why anyone should vote Tory. Even if you just look at the NHS
Most people I speak to seem happy with the NHS at the moment apart from waiting times. If the NHS would be better in the hands of Labour why was it in such a state when they were in power and why is the situation in Wales no better (if not worse) than in England at the moment?
“Performance is as bad, if not worse, as England, in some areas"
Walesonline
It needs a complete overhaul and throwing money at it without working out a strategy for the future is not the answer.
I am puzzled by the opinion polls which give Tories and TM such high ratings. Talking to my friends and judging by comment of this form the Tories are in deep trouble.
Nearly everyone I talk to, many former labour supporters, are moving towards the LibDems yet LibDems. do not show well in the polls.
No one has a good word to say about UKIP yet UKIP and the LibDems are roughly the same in the Polls. Does anyone understand?
I am mystified as to why anyone should vote Tory. Even if you just look at the NHS.
We all need it. Even the very rich, if they have a heart attack or stroke or pneumonia, will end up in an NHS hospital. They will have to rely on NHS emergency and acute services, because the private sector don't do emergency and acute.
The Tories are currently undermining NHS England for all their are worth.
This is blindingly obvious. Upsetting younger doctors (many of whom are deciding to emigrate)
Removing the bursary support from those who wish to train as nurses
Refusing to give the extra cash the NHS needs to cope with the rapidly rising number of elderly people in the community. (Because overwhelmingly, the demand for acute services is from the oldest in the population)
Refusing because they don't want to tax the more wealthy in society to pay for it - in fact busily cutting taxes for the richest.
Voting Tory, if you are a human being, is a crazy thing to do.
They are however running a very effective PT campaign to gull people into thinking otherwise.
A retired senior civil servant who I met today put if very succinctly "They are going for the kill"
The government targets are not for social housing. They don't believe in social housing. They are not only selling off council houses but housing association houses as well. Their version of affordable is "affordable if you are quite well off". If you leave the major housing developers to themselves they will build 3-4 bedroom homes.
Another reason not to vote Tory.
"In a damning report, the Public Accounts Committee says the number of families made homeless since the Tories took office has risen by 44%.
There were 72,000 families (including 120,000 children) living in temporary accommodation in 2015/16 compared to 50,000 in 2011/12.
Despite that the Government has admitted that its target to build 200,000 homes every year will not meet Britain’s housing need – between 225,000 to 275,000 new homes every year."
Can't meet their own targets.
Another reason not to vote Conservative.
www.opendemocracy.net/openjustice/laura-janes/draconian-cuts-to-legal-aid-for-prisoners-found-to-be-unlawful-by-court-of-a
They bring in illegal cuts.
I agree, Fitzy. He'd just put on twitter that he would be pleased to represent them again.
The tweet has disappeared.
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