Should I vote Conservative

I agree Eloethan. It's disgraceful.

I was fuming when I saw that headline on the front of the Evening Standard yesterday morning. For those on here who complain about a few Gransnetters referring to May as Maybot, Mayhem, etc., (even though much more insulting terms have been used to describe Corbyn), look at the sheer brazenness of a Conservative ex-Chancellor being conveniently handed a position in which he can conduct and control the dissemination to millions of people of blatant right wing propaganda.

Of course it is highly unlikely that Labour could win under these conditons - with virtually the whole of the mainstream media allowed to churn out this rubbish day in and day out.

Daphne, do you not think far too many promises?

Why isn't the Labour Party manifesto realistic and practical?

Forgot...

It's expected that the triple lock on pensions will be ditched.

May is obviously very confident of a landslide, because at least two proposals will hit the elderly.

1 Anyone with assets over £100,000 will have to pay for social care in old age. This is a complete reversal of the previous plan which capped the cost of social care and left some of the poorest with very little.

2 The winter fuel allowance is to be means-tested. I wonder where the threshold will be.

I'm glad she's doing it. Corbyn would have been accused of vindictive Marxism for policies like that.

Amber Rudd's moment. She doesn't know how much police officers earn.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/17/conservative-home-secretary-doesnt-know-how-much-police-officers-earn/

Tories doing really well today.

Goodness!

Why is she recycling old Labour policies?

"You won't have to sell your home to pay for your care."

tinyurl.com/mcms3eq

Remember the outcry when Labour suggested that your care costs could be paid for after your demise with money from your estate?

A very perceptive taxi driver on this link. An ordinary person, just like most of us.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/17/if-you-think-the-media-moguls-arent-biased-against-jeremy-corbyn-watch-this/

We await it with bated breath, roses

Giving endless links to biased bloggers/ newspapers/ pundits and quotes does no good at all ( for either side.)

But reading things is interesting. Some bloggers, journalists, pundits, academics,etc are very knowledgeable and one can learn from them.

I'm at a loss to see how anyone can form a judgement about anything without reading round the subject. And discussing it to test their own arguments against other peoples.

Genuinely at a loss.

Many of my links are to experts. Perhaps you could learn something from them, roses.

How can anyone? The manifesto isn't out yet.
'With evidence' ? All anyone can do is to cite the manifesto for both Conservative and Labour ( and hope they perform those policies)
Giving endless links to biased bloggers/ newspapers/ pundits and quotes does no good at all ( for either side.)

perhaps you want me and other dissenting voices to 'leave you to it'

No, roses. It's a thread which gives Tory supporters an opportunity to tell us how the Tories are going to improve life for the poor and underprivileged, how they are going to preserve the NHS, how they are going to support Education, how they are going to stop our money going out of the country in the form of profits squirrelled away in tax havens, how they are going to get global corporations to pay fair tax on the profits they make in the UK (our money again). And the rest.

And to defend their policies against the doubters. With evidence. Like the lefties do.

Now, this is a 'should I vote Conservative' thread , perhaps you want me and other dissenting voices to 'leave you to it' as you have just stated on the Labour thread.

Nope durham they come straight from me, unlike your endless qoutes and links.

Because what you have stated is bizarre!
A left wing voter not caring if Corbyn wins or not....more than that 'not giving a monkeys' as you say.

Roses, your statements come straight from CCHQ.

You're not listening to people's explanations, either, roses.

I might not like all the Conservative Manifesto but I feel it will be realistic and practical ( just as the Labour one isn't). We can't have everything bar the moon on a stick promised when we have Brexit to get through.Labour's plans will involve masses of borrowing and could mean economic ruin.

I don't give in to demands Maizie
Whaaat? You don't care if Corbyn will win or not? So you are happy to see T May win then?
One of them has to.

"The Guardian’s editorial on Labour’s manifesto concludes:

At 124 pages, this is a long manifesto. But it is not a suicide note. In terms of its social democratic credentials, the 1983 manifesto it most resembles is that of the Liberal/SDP Alliance rather than Labour’s. Its achievement is to expand the limits of the thinkable in British politics. Its weakness is that it does too little to make the thinkable seem realistic and practical."

The Guardian editor thinks it's quite a liberal manifesto.

Also, roses I don't give a monkeys whether or not Corbyn wins.

I just don't like seeing untruths about the LP manifesto being quoted as gospel.

I shall try to be fair to the Strong and Stable one's manifesto, when it eventually appears.

Goodness, roses. I'm not angry. Just disappointed that you don't seem willing to evidence your beliefs...

Implying? That was an over-generous term. I should have said STATING that they are acting out of hatred. Paranoid mass hysteria.

It's no use getting all angry Maizie ( and I do wish posters would stop being demanding) in his efforts to get elected Corbyn is throwing in lots of crowd pleasers ( yes, they all do) but this manifesto goes beyond that . It's the most left wing manifesto since 'the longest suicide note' and has borrowing, massive borrowing at the heart of it.
In spite of this largesse offered to us all, I don't think he has a chance of winning,either now or in the future.
So, the Conservatives are the only viable alternative this time