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Brexit - the end of the beginning - the negotiations begin

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JessM Sun 30-Apr-17 09:16:43

It is clear from the document that the EU is also concerned about the EU citizens in the UK. That's all of us who were born here and those who have settled here.

Fitzy54 Sat 29-Apr-17 22:12:48

WW it's really quite ridiculous to say then UK govt. doesn't care about "any of the people".
The words from the EU are quite conciliatory but of course, the stance is actually a very tough one - agree all the things that are important to the EU before we start on anything else. Understandable. They have the upper hand and will use it to their advantage as much as possible.
As for reciprocal rights for citizens, this could have been settled by now if they had been prepared to talk, so I give them no credit for that.
I'm quite sure the govt. will respond in a positive manner, but we are in for no easy ride here. Some in Europe want to punish us, others want to treat us harshly as an example to other potential backsliders, and the rest will want to squeeze as much benefit from us for as little as possible in return. Their attitude will the same as TMs: "Brexit means Brexit"!

rosesarered Sat 29-Apr-17 22:01:58

Oh yes, the EU is wonderful.......reasonable and firm indeed!
I expect you would change your mind JessM about what you think of the UK government if at the GE Corbyn and friends were running things from here on in.
Simply because you voted to Remain does not mean that in the negotiations that will take place to Leave, the EU officials will be wonderfully fair and reasonable and the UK government will not be.

MargaretX Sat 29-Apr-17 21:58:39

The EU feels that their banks have been taken from them. Banks which they always had access to and the Uk will have to compensate them for that.

Apart from that there are the foreign EU workers in Britain
and I'm sure TMay will cooperate on that.
The whole thing looks do able and I hope T May puts on her office cap and shuts up about emotional reasons and concentrates on getting a fair deal for all.

Of course the EU will miss the money but we all know who will end up paying for that.

JessM Sat 29-Apr-17 21:15:23

Yes it does all look quite reasonable. No doubt the UK government think it is not.
They still seem to think that negotiation requires a tough approach. Suspect the EU will continue to be reasonable and firm.

Welshwife Sat 29-Apr-17 15:10:10

All looks quite reasonable to me - in fact quite good for the UK of they play ball and do not start demanding !
The people who drew that up have a far better grasp of what the withdrawal will do to the people who have quite legitimately exercised their rights of where they wished to live and made family lives for themselves than the blinkered UK Govt who really don't care about any of the people. - either UK citizens or the EU ones. Anyone who has to leave their home and move back to UK or to their home country should be adequately compensated by the UK Govt - it would be in the interests of the Govt to keep the status quo.

Anya Sat 29-Apr-17 14:54:48

Better than I thought it would be.

JessM Sat 29-Apr-17 13:57:34

The 27 nations agreed on these principles. It took them a minute to do so.
Lots of food for thought. And not much scope for tub thumping tough negotiating rhetoric is there?
Lots to chew over here but not much wriggle room for UK.

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/04/29-euco-brexit-guidelines/