What can TM be thinking of?

roses!

Repeating strong and stable isn't actually a bad idea ( psychologically) perhaps Labour should be doing it.

Had the misfortune to catch TM pontificating on the news yesterday and.......do you know what?.......she wants "strong and stable government"........now who would have thought. At least we know she is capable of learning a soundbite - and repeating it ad nauseam.

I was also very struck by the stridently personal nature of her comments - it was vote for ME, rather than vote for our party.

When saak said she thinks TM is strong PM and "long she may reign" and then added "and most of Britain does too", it reminded me of a comment by Farage on this week's "Any Questions" when he claimed that 70% of the country now backed brexit. That sort of nonsense is fake news and should not go unchallenged.

Propagandists have always known, as Goebbels pointed out, that a lie repeated enough times becomes "the truth". Not the real truth, of course, but a fictitious truth, or as Kellyann Conway describes it, an "alternative fact". All that matters is the number of people who believe the lie. Unfortunately this can work as quite a lot of people believed the lie on the bus.

Another factor is that the whole country, including the cities, wasn't involved in these elections. Although it was a good result for the Conservatives, it doesn't necessarily give an accurate prediction of the GE result.

OK. So thankfully (at this time of night) it is not rocket science. In the 10:22 post I commented on "the half of the country that are not voting for May". In my reply to SAAK's 'most' I also pointed out that "Roughly half the seats in the local election were won by the Tories". So, the 'half' NOT voting for May are the other half to the roughly half ... WON by the Tories.

However, I did take it one step further in my reply to SAAK and pointed out that these halves are only half of the less than 30% of the country that voted and therefore equate to roughly 15% of possible voters voting for May. These are the only ACTUAL figures we have had of voters putting their cross to support her and I would suggest that 15% is a long way from 'most'.

Of course, this only tells us what has happened so far and there is no reason to believe (if fact good reason to be very careful not to) that May will get just or only 15% of all voters in the GE. Also the halves are very different. May's half is all for the Cons but the other half is split between the other parties so she is very likely to win the election but not, as SAAK said, with 'most' of the voters backing her or even, necessarily, a majority of the voters because of FPTP.

Sorry if I have made that complicated. Perhaps someone who is more statistically minded than me can explain it simply.

It was earlier today
Sat 06-May-17 10:22:16

Where is that quote from Jalima. It doesn't seem to be part of my reply to SAAK.

I could, of course, have been referring to Saak's use of the word 'most' when, of course, this is not the reality.
But I will be honest and say I was not.
Or Saak could have been referring to the polls where Tories have 46%, Labour 30%, Lib Dems 9% which would make most more logical.

Earlier GgMK2 you posted:
the reality that is to obvious for the half of the country that are not voting for May which suggests that half would vote for May.
And half is 50%.

No wonder I am confused and do not assume anything.

Actually Jalima hasn't used any kind of 'tone' to you, but you feel it's quite all right not to be polite.
If you carry on the way you are going, talking to posters in such a way, then you won't mind if they talk back in the same way to you will you....or will you?
So, yes, give us a break! ( that means do stop being annoying.)

"Well, we haven't had the GE yet and the maths does seem to come from the Abbot School of Accounting."

Sneering - I think so. Not one single fact to show why Jalima thought I had miscalculated just a nasty sneering reference.

I reply in the tone people use to me - as you may have noticed Roses.

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Sorry I should have specified SAAK not 'she'.

I don't think you know what you are posting to others GGM2 (you say above 'I have not made personal comments') ...what! you have just said to Jalima and I quote you ' ask yourself why I should be polite to you' and you go on to say 'It is very easy to sneer but I notice you do only that and do not give any facts.'
None of that is personal I suppose.
It becomes very hard for posters to stay civil when addressed in that way, so do not be surprised if you get something back.The less said about your posts to me the better!

It really doesn't matter if she was referring to the local elections or not. They are, currently, the only actual figures that show who has come out to vote for the Conservatives since May became the Great Leader.

May does not endure pain, hardship and sorrow. She inflicts it on others, on the homeless, on the jobless, on those who are sick or working on zero hours contracts.

I did say that most could be an exaggeration

Well, she doesn't get over-excited and doesn't complain about her health problems, so is that stoical?

And even endured a kiss from Juncker. That must have taken some doing - what is it with all the kissing these days?

Yes, I thought she meant the local elections, as that is what has just happened. I have asked, so assume she will tell us eventually.

If it wasn't the locals, it could be the referendum. However, it's still not most, is it?

Mind you, saaki has definitely got the message, calling May a strong PM, but I don't think she understands the word stoic.

you are assuming that you know.

No, I know what I read in the post and am not assuming she was referring to the local elections as she did not say that.

I thought she was referring to the local elections
You thought she meant that

Give it a break? I replied to YOUR post Jalima - is that now not allowed? Do we live in such a Nazi state that I may not respond to another poster pointing out the political mismatch in her positing of the size of T May's fan base and the numbers that actually, on the one occasion they have so far had the chance, voted for the Cons. That seems entirely reasonable to me and any comments about my attack on her opinion (not her) seem to be a suppression of free speech to me. This is a political thread so the likelihood is that we will hold different opinions. I have not made personal comments but challenged offered opinions, others certainly have become personal.

But you are assuming that you know. Why shouldn't I?

Well, if she was thinking of them, she didn't mention them.

Never assume anything.