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Can we really Trust Teresa May with a blank cheque?

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James2451 Sun 07-May-17 13:38:59

‘We need to seriously remind ourselves that we are being asked to cast a vote that will affect not just our lives today, but the future of generations to come’.
I desire a fairer and decent society, one that does not impose severe austerity packages on low and middle earners and so many young families. In fact, for most of us the quality of life for our own grandchildren and their prospects and safe future."

I am deeply worried about giving Teresa May and many of her RW extremists a blank cheque to do what ever they want over the next five years. I am not assured at present that we can trust her and the extreme dogma of many of her MP's. We have no guarantee she will be in office for the full term, look what happened to Maggie.

Her unwillingness to inform the Country what Brexit will mean if she gets her on way with the EU and she is not even prepared to debate her election policies on TV for us all to hear and give our approval,or dissent is worrying. Forget about Corbyn that is a red herring excuse given to protect her from facing the camera's and the Nations scrutiny.
Her term in office at the Home Office has not been the brightest for any leading conservative minister, nor as her ability been questioned to the full to be able to lead our nation through the trouble waters likely to be ahead after Brexit, her ability is still an important unknown factor.

No, I cannot fully put my trust in her at present, I need to have far greater assurances far better than the rude way she behaved at the dispatch box and at the rostrum outside number 10 last week.

We need to be quite clear the election is NOT on Brexit it is on policies for healing and improving the quality of life of the nation over the next five years. I want a bright future for my grandchildren, I am not sure that Teresa May knows how to achieve that with her political dogma, or that I can presently 100% trust her without her being willing to debate her policies in front of the Nation. She is possibly more worried about Nicola Sturgeon than Jeremy Corbyn.. A landslide victory is likely to send the wrong messages to her backbenchers for more draconian policies and I do not believe that is what the nation needs for our grandchildrens future. I am therefore coming round to voting Lib Dem.

Dyffryn Tue 06-Jun-17 13:56:17

Both party's have their failings and personalities that I don't like. No party can be perfect. It is the same with policies. I don't think we can trust the Tories with a blank cheque. They have said nothing or done nothing over the last 7 years which would give me an ounce of belief that they could. I started out not liking Corbyn at all, I think I was listening to too many people's opinions and reading too many newspaper reports. Since the election has been called I have actually taken the time to listen to what he has to say. I trust him more than I trust May.

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 13:53:08

Always tegan just Tories for short. Joke isn't it??!!

Tegan2 Tue 06-Jun-17 13:52:07

When did the Conservative Party become the Conservative and Unionist party [just noticed when I was browsing a tactical voting link]? Given that the events of the past year will possibly result in a united Ireland and Scotland's independence isn't the unionist part a bit misleading?

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 13:49:47

pogs
OK I will outline what I read relating to the May's speech

It is a piece by Aaron Swartz -

May wants to ban cryptography.

Swartz argues that this is a classic bit of foolish political grandstanding.

MAY argued that there must be no "means of communication which we cannot read "

Swartz argues that it is impossible to overstate how bonkers the idea of sabotaging cryptography is to people who understand information security.

If you want to secure your data .............you have to use good cryptography.

To use deliberately compromised cryptology is to effectively have no security at all........."

As I understand it all our data including that held by the medical world, police , defence etc would be open to abuse.

In effect what May is proposing is to have a "master key " which will allow authorities access to all our secure information. But to do so will "introduce unquantifiable" security risks. What they are saying is that there is no back door that will allow only the good guys in. It can't exist.

As soon as this vulnerability exists it will only be a matter of short time before the world's bad guys have access.

The regime May is suggesting is already in place in such countries as Russia and Iran, and we know there are ways around this.

Swartz lists some of the direct affects of Mays proposal

1all communication will be easy to "hack" by criminals, spies and voyeurs.

2 any firms within reach of the UK government must be banned from producing secure software

3 all major code repositories such as Githuip and sourceforge must be blocked

4search engines must not answer queries about web-pages that carry secure software

5 virtually all academic security work in the UK must cease

6 all packets in and out of the UK must be inspected for banned software

7smartphones must be banned from entering the UK

Swartz goes on. But perhaps you now understand how the techies find Mays suggestions so implausible.

POGS Tue 06-Jun-17 12:58:13

WW. Mon 05-Jun-17 15:57:25

Reading an article in "The Register" an IT publication - and there is a lot of merriment at Maybots expense over her plans to tackle terrorism by banning stuff on the internet.

Reading what is being said, she clearly is clueless.

Really?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/26/theresa-may-calls-g7-leaders-help-prosecute-foreign-fighters

G7 leaders also backed the prime minister’s call for internet companies such as Google, Facebook and Twitter to better target extremist messages online, including by developing technology which automatically identifies and removes messages that incite violence.

“We agreed that the threat from Daesh [Isis] is evolving rather than disappearing. As they lose ground in Iraq and Syria, foreign fighters are returning and the group’s hateful ideology is spreading online,” the prime minister said.

Describing the G7 joint statement as “a significant step forward”, May said she wanted to see terrorist material taken down “more urgently and more rapidly than it is at the moment”

“Make no mistake, the fight is moving from the battlefield to the internet. In the UK, we are already working with social media companies to halt the spread of extremist material and hateful propaganda that is warping young minds. I am clear that corporations can do more. Indeed they have a social responsibility to now step up their efforts to remove harmful content from their networks.”

“Today, I called on leaders to do more. We agreed a range of steps the G7 could take to strengthen its work with tech companies on this vital agenda. We want companies to develop tools to identify and remove harmful materials automatically.”

MaizieD Tue 06-Jun-17 12:35:27

or even 'flippy floppy' (when will I learn to proof read...)

MaizieD Tue 06-Jun-17 12:34:49

Perhaps we should counter it with 'weak and wobbly', or, 'fippy floppy' as our friend saak is so fond of saying grin

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 12:09:49

Anyone hear Karen Bradley's interview??? grin. What an absolute car crash

Elegran Tue 06-Jun-17 12:06:34

It is an orating device. Repeating things three times seems to be the recommnended procedure. "Tell them what you are going to say. Say it. Tell them what you said"

angelab Tue 06-Jun-17 11:41:59

For those of you who didn't read about this, here is one senior reporter's view of repeated phrases and contentless answers:

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/three-minutes-of-nothing-herald-reporter-reflects-on-pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html

rosesarered Tue 06-Jun-17 11:28:25

It's either a bad idea or a very good idea ( repeating phrases) it's what advertisements do after all.
Bad, we get tired of hearing them, good, because it sinks in, and once in, stays there, even if it's at a subliminal level.

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 11:25:09

I have been struck how Maybots programme is structured to constantly repeat utterly meaningless tautologies.

Brexit means Brexit

Enough is enough

Say it often enough and you feel as if the world's going mad.

She tried to escape it with strong and stable but that didn't work either.

angelab Tue 06-Jun-17 10:55:50

I'm in the same position as you, GG, and for anyone wanting to employ tactical voting to keep any party out (you can choose your personal bete noir! see

www.electionpolling.co.uk/tactical-voting

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Jun-17 10:15:24

I am more naturally inclined to the LibDems Tegan but more than anything I do not want President May and the killer Conservatives so, because of the constituency I am in, I will vote Labour. We must stop this government which ideologically only believes in the market and money. The mixed economy we all grew up with, which offered us health, homes and educational chances has, I believe, it's last chance in this election.

I was thinking about the NHS this morning - or rather it's destruction - and it actually crossed my mind that either me or one of mine might be a victim of the privatisation the Tories are determined on. I hope, if it is as bad as I fear, I go quickly and 'mine' are able to earn enough to use the new system - but what oh what oh those who can't sad

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 10:07:11

Yes and me, I think so much is riding on this election, and I am so fearful of the outcome.

I would be interested to know how many voters actually vote Tory/ukip as opposed to those who vote for the broad left.

I worry that the democratic process of fptp is actually less democratic in the long run - particularly once they change the boundaries in the Tory favour- than our democratic process in the EU.

Tegan2 Tue 06-Jun-17 10:02:40

My mind is in a sort of overdrive at the moment and my emotions are all over the place. The past year has been like a rollercoaster; the S.O. admit that we're tired of saying the same things to each other over and over again, the difference being that he is still staunchly LibDem and I am now firmly behind Corbyn.I feel mentally exhausted by it all.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Jun-17 09:58:35

I love this in the comments to RMs article.

"And I am a big fan of democracy. I think we should try it."

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 09:57:41

It seems almost certain to be a Tory win. Part of me thinks it is poetic justice as they now have the biggest challenge any government has to face. The trouble is they aren't up to it, so where on earth does it leave the U.K.?

Brexit and the economy will do for them, and I think people are beginning to wake up about the NHS.

daphnedill Tue 06-Jun-17 09:42:26

grin Go for it!

Meanwhile, a video to watch while you drink your coffee:

Richard Murphy describes the looming crash ahead for the UK after GE2017, and the myth of a 'strong and stable' conservative government

therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19175#.WShVomkmOZd.twitter

Tegan2 Tue 06-Jun-17 09:33:28

Sorry dd; meant dj. As I said on another thread, I've woken up really early and am making typos galore. Think either a very strong cup of coffee or another hours sleep is needed blush....

daphnedill Tue 06-Jun-17 09:30:32

Er? Not sure what you mean Tegan.

Tegan2 Tue 06-Jun-17 09:07:21

I that the photo with David Dimbleby [Bullingdon Club member/unbiased BBC interviewer] in, dd?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 05-Jun-17 22:45:22

He certainly has Daphne.

daphnedill Mon 05-Jun-17 22:34:31

Sadiq Khan has reacted like a true statesman.

daphnedill Mon 05-Jun-17 22:33:09

According to our local Conservative candidate the number of police officers hasn't been cut nor has school funding gone down (it's been cut by 8% in real terms in this area). hmmhmm