Ian Brady

I agree bluebelle, it troubles me, these crimes were committed fifty years ago, this year we had a thread on how good it is to talk of mental illness , if this is needed now what was it like fifty years ago. I did say on that thread about - clean mental illness

Phoenix I think that's a good point and a very good idea I think they need to know a lot more about these peoples brain structure as I do think we are all defining mental illness in modern media terms None of us knows what it's like inside someone's brain or why they do what they do
What is mental illness?isn't it purely that some parts of the brain work in a certain different way either through being born so, too much or too little of something or through their environment whilst growing There are many things that we do every day that is normal for us but not normal for others When these spill over into malicious, cruel or murderous behaviour we call someone evil and believe they did it on purpose, Can anyone really be 'normal' when they kill, torture or harm This doesn't make them not guilty but I think we do need to accept that all these harmful people may have the inability to go against their nature
I think it is right to keep these killers in prison away from society so they can't do it again but I think all murderers must have a very different brain wiring set up to the average person
I ve always thought Jeremy Bamber is innocent and I don't agree with the death penalty, just saying

Perhaps his brain being used for research purposes might be interesting?

So glad the coroner has not released that fiends body until he gets assurarance that his ashes will not be spread on Saddleworth Moor.

That the creature wanted that ,just shows it is another way to taunt the families.

He should have no say where he is buried, or like murderers in the past who were executed, he should stay in the confines of the prison grounds.

There shouldn't be any discussion of where Brady's ashes finish up. Any old dustbin will do just fine!
His solicitor, Robin Makin, son of Rex Makin (Slimy, slippery git that he is) saw Brady recently to discuss what arrangements Brady wanted for his funeral and afterwards. What right did Brady have to decide what happens to his body? He decided what happened to his five victims, so should have no 'say' in this matter.
As for Hindley knitting a gift for a baby, I'd have told her where to shove it!

And so I will not wish him to eternal damnation,

He had psychotic episodes in his teens, was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic when in prison but later claimed he'd faked the symptoms lhe observed in mentally inmat s at Wormwood Scrubs. He was also diagnosed as having an anti social narcissistic personality disorder.
Schizophrenia is a mental health problem that can be treated by drugs and sufferers helped with support from mental health workers.

Anti social, narcicistic personality disorders are less likely to respond to treatment. Brady is usually referred to by those involved in his care, or the various tribunals he's been involved with, as a cold, manipulative man.

I sympathise with people who have mental health problems. I understand why many psychiatrists see these kind of personality problems as untreatable.

He was receiving 'palliative care' celebgran - I am not sure he knew the meaning of either word.

I agree with Anya too

Chew baca well said I too hope hindley and Brady rot in hell if there is one

Well in some ways I don't think he deserved to have any of his wishes respected albeit costing taxpayer money to keep him alive yesnhe should have died but not for his sake,

I can't show mercy on such purely evil creature as him

Jeremy bamber ,lol

Jeremy bomber has always protested his innocence and I have mixed feelings on that as his cousins were known to me they lived in village next to me andwe went on Same school bus,

Therefore I took avid interest in it. His adopted sister was schizophrenic and there were lot flaws in evidence,
It would be horrendous if he has spent lifetime in prison wrongfully.

Evidence was taken of a jilted girlfriend so that seemed wrong,

Sorryndigressed here,
Ian Brady was pure evil and his callous rape and murder of Lesley down and the tape recording of her praying for her mummy was sooo moving, poor little girl and that was just the start. Whatever excuse is given for his mental, depraved evil murder and torture of those poor youngsters there is no excuse in my book
Spare some thought for living relatives of those he murdered

Have to say am with Anya on this one,

Do we not accept the man was mentally ill?
No I don't think he was.
Some people are purely evil.

I agree with Smileless that we should have respected his human rights and not force-fed him when he went on hunger strike. Perhaps they should have made him sign an affidavit absolving the prison officers and medical staff of any blame and reiterating that he did not wish to be revived under any circumstances.

Nature v nurture, is there ever a complete, comprehensive, validated answer to this?

Personally I doubt it.

Agree, a very moving post chewbacca and a reminder of how these terrible things impact the whole community. It may slip from the front pages of newspapers, and thus out of most minds, but not where you were brought up. I remember the news coverage, and my parents talking about it and stopping when I came in the room, dad was in the Police so perhaps knew more than most what terrible things were done to those children, the name Saddleworth Moor, still to me is part of this event in my childhood. God rot their souls

Oh yes Anniebach I think you're right about Jeremy Bamber, well done.

Yes that is good news angelab it's a pity they didn't stop Hindley's ashes being scattered on the moors when she died. My old next door neighbour was a prison officer who spent several years 'looking after' Hindley. When she was pregnant Hindley knitted her a jacket for the baby. She told me there were many tortured souls on her wing who couldn't sleep at night but Hindley slept like a baby.

She wasn't so besotted with Brady that she refused to stop writing to him to improve her own chances of parole.

Chewbacca A very moving post. We forget that the people living in the area at the time were also affected.

As I said before I don't believe either Brady or Hindley were mentally ill at the time of the murders. Brady enjoyed controlling and having power over others, even when he knew he was dying he would not give the location of the childs grave - it was his last opportunity for control. Hindley was besotted with him and allowed herself to be manipulated into helping him carry out his murders.

When they were both found guilty they should have both been put in a cage and left on the moors to rot.

I remember reading in the paper about how Brady killed that poor teenager with an axe. It was very graphic and disturbed me.

Sorry agree with * Anya*

A very evil and manipulative man. Totally ages with Anya on this. He is a murderer, and showed very little respect for poor Keith Bennett's Mother, she went to her grave with no peace, and all she wanted was too know where her sons body was.

I feel nothing for that worthless creatures demise, and I am glad that they said on the news they will keep looking for Keith Bennett's body.

Perhaps she manipulated them into pitying her.

My next door neighbour's sister was a prison officer where Myra Hindley was held. The officers felt quite sorry for her just before she died.

I grew up in Ashton-under-Lyne in the 1950s and 60s and I was on Ashton market, with my mum, on the day that John Kilbride was taken away. I used to go swimming with John's brother, Terry. I know exactly what the effect was on his family and how his mum never gave up hope that John would come home one day. I know exactly what it was like having those 5 murders, in a very small, insular town and the effect that it had on us children, parents, families of the victims. Because I lived in the area that Brady and Hindley murdered the children, I grew up not being allowed to play out alone; go to the shop on my own; go to my grandma's on my own or walk to and from school on my own. Because my childhood was impacted, to quite a large degree by Brady and Hindley, I feel that I have the right to state that I don't give a damn if he/she/they were mentally ill or not, I'm just glad that the pair of them are dead. John Kilbride's family have never, ever got over his murder, they have never been able to move beyond it. His murder ripped his family apart and the ramifications go on to this day. And I'd imagine that the same is true for the families of Lesley Ann Downey; Keith Bennett; Pauline Readers and Edward Evans.

If there is a hell, I hope that Brady and Hindley are in it.

Ana, I do know what they did to the children, and I am not trying to prove anything, I , like you am posting my opinions , please stop telling me what not to post