Oops! She's done it again!

Brexit was the start of this for the working class.

Now the elite have used "tactics' to try to stop this.

I get your sentiment pen but how do you propose that un-needed labour will be haulted from coming in and keeping the wage as it is, which is untenable? How will that work?

An influx all the time on mass that is unsustainable? How will your proposals work, I'd love to hear.

If the 'working class' got up and fought for themselves, saak, joined unions, used their power to withdraw their labour and stopped voting for the party which keeps subservient perhaps they would achieve better wages and working conditions. It worked many years ago.

Instead they blame anyone but themselves, egged on by the right wing press.

Penstemmon is that the trial of a living wage or a basic income? I find the idea of a basic income very interesting with the changes in work patterns.

SAAK there is a theory called the Sensemaking Theory. It shows how people make sense of their experiences and explains they may get it wrong if they don't have sufficient relevant information.

You really don't seem to care whether your information is correct or sufficient you just churn out the sense you have made of it. Yes Kensington and Chelsea have gone Labour and at least some, if not most, of the people voting there will have insured they have the information they need before they conclude that they should vote that way. So who, please, is sad and gullible and who just has opinion diarrhoea.

I totally believe in and would support a good living wage. I am looking closely at the trial in Finland. I believe in Trade Unions to protect the welfare of workers and for businesses to have incentives to follow good employment law. I want a government to care about the lower paid not only by providing welfare but by boosting industry and business. I think this can all happen without Brexit. Leavers don't, so I am happy to agree to differ.

This is a 'tactical' vote of the lowest. Does no one get it?

Kensington and chelsea are labour? a green pig has just flown passed my window. I live here and know for a fact that they are not, never will be either. How sad and gullible certain people have become.

This has been voted purely to stop brexit. 10 years from now working class will still be in the same boat or less of one due to not stopping the influx of unnecessary labour.

Its in the labour manifesto but they will not deliver this, that's the whole point in cutting off the source of cheap labour which is through getting out of the open door policy.

Ooops! I meant Labour has just won Kensington.

I would think there are quite a few wealthy people in Kensington, which has just won the constituency.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think London could operate without immigrants.

or employers pay a decent living wage, which Labour's manifesto promised to raise.

That to me isn't true daph. Don't you think that cheap labour wherever it comes from is still exploitation? Cut off the source. We have this chance to do just that.

What lies did Labour tell SAAK?

That's up to them. Some very wealthy people prefer to live in the UK rather than going to countries where they would pay less tax even now.

PS. Trump wasn't elected by a majority.

what do you think their manifesto would do then? tax them to the hilt but they would still want to stay?

When did they promise to kick out the affluent?

I speak a lot to real people in real life Pen, never had a need to use a link.

What has labour supposedly promised to do? Kick out the affluent? Because that would happen. I'd rather keep the affluent yet make them pay a decent wage.

Well you need to talk to more RL people maybe. Also not everyone votes for personal benefit but for the benefit of others and the good of society. We will never agree.

Taking jobs... I would post a link..but you don't like them.

Just because you own a home in London doesn't make you affluent per se. Not if you are living in it! I live in innner London and it's strongly Labour/ remain. Not a wealthy borough, just very mixed demographically and culturally.

You cut off cheap labour supplies. Then the only option is to pay a fairer wage.

Now that makes total sense.

Then that doesn't make sense to me at all.

Remain = free movement and jobs being taken from people that do not need this this to happen at all.

Labour - I totally get this concept but at the moment what is promised is unworkable.

Get one thing done and done well rather than guggling too many plates and nothing ever gets done.

SAAK I have a number of friends and family in London. They all vote Labour /remain. They cover a range of socio economic situations..from kitchen 'boys' to teachers. I do not know any wealthy Londoners.