Conservative voters don't look at this

I don't think they'll change the result of this election, apart from a couple of marginals, but I sense that the tide is turning.

The local school had a mock election. The results were Liberal Democrat – 175
Labour – 167
Conservative – 159
Green – 70
UKIP – 53

I discovered that there's a local progressive alliance group. The Greens were already supporting LibDem and some of the Labour supporters decided to vote LibDem, because the candidate was "the best man for the job".

Most of the people in the group of about 300 are in their 30s or 40s. We've had a couple of real life meetings and I'm really surprised how many anti-Tories there are in this town. We're attending "The Great Get Together" as a group on 17 June and have already been talking about putting on talks about money flow and democracy as part of the library society provision.

Littles seeds...but who knows?

daphnedill All a bit irrational isn't it? More political education needed. The right wing press obviously fosters these irrational thinking processes. Perhaps all the new younger voters will change things?

I admit that my mother (a widow on a very low income) used to vote Tory. But she couldn't explain why. Just a sense of tradition I think. And perhaps a suspicion of politicians from working class backgrounds. Definitely a turkey voting for Christmas.

That was a reply to mostlyharmless.

They've been told that Labour will bankrupt the country and they believe the stuff about No Magic Money Tree. They have almost no experience of benefits and think they're only for scroungers. They think Corbyn supports terrorism. They don't believe that historically the Conservatives have borrowed more than Labour.

Well, that's according to the Conservative Party member I sat next to for three hours this morning outside a polling booth.

Oh, and he couldn't see a problem with our Conservative candidate claiming at Monday's hustings that the Conservatives haven't cut police numbers, cut per pupil funding or admitting that she knew absolutely nothing about the Conservative policy on the environment. She also laughed when somebody said that privatised health and social care in our area was proving more expensive and providing a worse service.

Unfortunately, she'll almost certainly win.

like the unionists who voted NO to Scottish Independence the tory voters wont or cant give a reason WHY they vote that way ..they usually just hit you with a list of complaints about the opposition...personally I cant stand these I'm all right jack types .No one knows if or when they might fall on hard times and need a wee bit of help .Thats all the social security services do.Offer help .People MOST PEOPLE on benefits aren't scroungers or layabouts .MOST PEOPLE who are disabled and claim aren't doing it because they want to be disabled ,it wasn't their choice .I'm sure they would rather be healthy and work for a living .MOST families would love to be able to support their kids when times are tough but sometimes times are tough for them too.Just THINK before marking that X.Think about everyone else as well as yourself .

From my point of view Erdagon springs to mind.

Mays HR record is poor. She is on record as refusing the UN investigating the appalling treatment of women in Yarls Wood -70% of whom reported rape.

May subsequently made great efforts to cover this up.

A UN rapporteur also issue a statement which indicates that in his opinion the conservative threat to the ECHR was comparible to the situation in 1930s Germany.

All my family, colleagues and friends are voting Labour. I can't really understand who votes Conservative. Ok, those earning more than £80,000 a year, but that wouldn't be enough.
Surely all of Britain is proud of the NHS and wants to support more policing and a well-resourced education system?
Must be many shy Tories who don't though!

That's good, ygg.
Some people have no idea what will happen if our human rights disappear. It's not just a case of ' if you.ve nothing to fear...'
We will all have something to fear if our human rights go.

Interestingly there are some developing ideas about May and HR and the UN on mumsnet. It is worrying in the extreme.

This was just posted on my FB page. It sums up my main fears about Teresa May. Personally I do support the Labour party, though I have voted tactically today. But this person has actually thought of what is on offer.

I do not support the Labour Party (or political parties in general); I'm a Liberal Thatcherite, I believe in free markets, low taxes, personal freedom, deregulation, minimal state, etc.
However, tomorrow I shall be casting my vote for Dame Margaret Beckett, my Labour candidate, in the hopes that Jeremy Corbyn (even with all his faults) will become the Prime Minister.
Theresa May is a authoritarian ideologue, and if given the chance, a tyrant. I am legitimately fearful of the veiled systemic oppression I would be living under if she continued to be Prime Minister.
I do not support the Labour Party, but I would readily choose a government which fucks with my economy rather than one which fucks with my liberty.

I am voting Tory yggdrasil and have no reason to be ashamed. It is my vote and I can cast it as I think fit. No I am not rich or privately educated. I have elderly relatives who need care including 1 in a care home and was for a long time an NHS worker but I am voting Tory because that is my choice.

My elderly mother certainly didn't vote Conservative, and I would doubt that she ever has, but I do have a couple of friends who are - one is really very right-wing so we walk around the politics very carefully but enjoy the discussion. That doesn't stop them being nice people though

I don't know anyone who says they vote Tory either.( Well, except my 98 year old mother who had a postal vote.)
I am willing to bet this is because a lot of those who are going to are ashamed to admit it!

Strange how people who earn lots of money never admit that they do.

Here's another list of things that Corbyn gets flak for. Nobody will believe the truth of this either.
Much rather believe the rightwing press.

I have just met my DGS for dinner - 26 and just completing a PhD. We sat down at the table and he was straight in with it - ' who are you voting for tomorrow?' I started my answer by stating it certainly would not be the Tory candidate and explained my predicament with choosing between the Labour and Lib Dem. He then said he had been in contention with his father who he thinks will vote Tory as the others will cost him more tax! He said 'I said to him that it means then that he is earning over £80K' - at which he said his father looked away - he is a director of a large company.
My DGS has read every piece of election literature which has gone through his door and said how different the Lib Dem, Labour and even Plaid Cymru were from the Tory one. It was lovely to hear him talking about the need to think of everyone in society and not just yourself - a point he made to his father. His friends feel the same as he does. It was like listening to my father - or my son - all over again! As a family we never usually talk politics but Brexit changed all that!

Apologise to your OH,varian, because I had to laugh at that. He is too kind.

Here's something to make you angry again.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/06/07/revealed-mays-hypocrisy-over-connections-with-terrorists/

I know a few folk who will vote Tory.

Today my OH was out delivering the LibDem leaflets when he was bitten by a dog guarding a post box.

He is such a lovely person that he actually warned the Tory leaflet deliverer to avoid that dog. Liberals really are far too nice!

No you shouldn't, Tegan. You have just as much right to tell us that as anyone else does.
I don't know anyone who is going to vote Tory, either.

Well, roses; it meant something to me .....it was just an observation, really#should'vekeptmymouthshut

Tegan

Excellent, Tegan. I hope you said thanks lots of times and promised him a reward if Corbyn wins.

I like this by David Schneider.

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That's meaningless Tegan I don't know anybody who is!

Even my son who has grown up in a household that talks about politics a lot but has never shown the slightest interest in it, is now phoning me up to tell me he's voting Labour. And this is after I'd told him that I would forgive him for voting Conservative as his MP is Anna Soubry who is very pro EU. He says he doesn't know anyone who isn't voting Labour.