Why the reluctance to answer questions and face the real electorate ?

I mentioned that on another thread, Tegan. Unfortunately can't seem to get a link to it.

Funded by taxpayers, just as it should be now.

When my sister went to a free nursery, my mother went to work and paid tax. Very simple and perfect.

Good question, Jane.

Anyone see the interview with IDS where he says, with regards to the manifesto, 'what we are trying to get away with' instead of 'what we are trying to get away from' ...

How was that all funded back then? This is an honest enquiry not a derogatory comment BTW.

Annie I went to a day nursery when I was 3- it was free- care from 8am to 6pm. I went to teacher training college and it was free and I got a grant, I knew many nurses, their training was free, and even a few medical students, their training was free, and the poorest were given grants for their living costs. Education and childcare is one of the basic requirements of a modern civilised society. Just because you have swallowed whole the Tory hype that we can't afford such things doesn't mean the rest of us believe it. A well educated, qualified work force pays more tax, childcare means women return to work, use their qualifications and pay tax. The alternative is a poorly trained population in low pay jobs dependent on in-work benefits and food banks.

Doctors' skills are different from nurses', their training takes longer, and they have to make more risky decisions so, yes, they do start on higher pay. Which is not at all to denigrate what nurses do.

and the lucky 5% will be fleeing the country in droves and taking their money and their businesses elsewhere.

Exactly Annie. No wonder the gullible are voting for him in their droves...

No fees for doctors

No fees for nurses

No fees for university students

Free school dinners for all children regardless of parents income

Free music lessons for all children

Free childcare

All paid for by 5% of tax payers , best hope they stay in this country, still , it can be borrowed so no problems

When I was in hospital after surgery the staff nurse and I between us managed to have a little accident and she promptly cleaned me up and changed the bed.
I didn't hear any of them saying 'I don't do sick or wee'. They were all lovely.

Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.
And much higher if anyone progresses further.
A nursing degree takes 3 or 4 years then post-registration courses may be required to progress paid for by the employer in most cases.

In the most junior hospital trainee post of Foundation year 1 your basic starting salary is £26,614. This increases in Foundation year 2 to £30,805. If you're a doctor starting your specialist training in 2017 your basic starting salary starts at £36,461 and progresses to £46,208.
Currently doctors in the UK may train for up to 16 years before qualifying. 5 years for their degree (or six if you intercalate and take a useful subject like, say, History of Medicine), 2 years for a post-graduate foundation course, and then 3 to 8 years in specialist training.

Sorry harrigran X post

We certainly wiped a lot of bottoms when I trained as a nurse Tegan2 but I'll think you'll find none doing so now. As far as I can see they are taking over many of the tasks that junior doctors did, I suspect because it's much cheaper. Nursing Assistants do the hands on care now for a pittance.

Qualified nurses do not wipe bottoms or clean up sick, the HCAs do that. I hasten to add when I was nursing sisters and staff nurses did everything that the junior staff did, would not ask someone to do things that we were not prepared to roll our sleeves up for.

If I were still a child, &I was promised unlimited sweets , no strict bed time, could be as rude as I liked with no fear of consequences & that I could have anything I asked for without having to earn it I would be a very happy child indeed ( but not a very likeable one!) But I am not a child & I know that nothing is for nothing it has to be paid for , I prefer a parent Ohhps Politician who admits that & doesn't promise the earth knowing it can't be delivered.

A question; how much do doctors earn when they qualify and how much do nurses earn?? Having a degree as a nurse doesn't actually make the job any different to how it used to be. How can anyone justify a having to pay to train for a job that involves wiping bottoms on a regular basis [or do nurses not have to do that sort of thing now?].

Don't doctors earn a lot more once they have trained?
In fact, I would think doctors would be one of the groups who do actually pay off their loans, as opposed to nurses who very rarely will, unless they become matrons.

Actually, the Labour party idea is to get rid of all fees, not just those of nurses and doctors.
Then we might have more people wanting to be nurses again.

Not a defence but don't doctors have to pay training fees too now, uni tuition fees and so on. Since all nurses have to have a degree now presumably they pay tuition fees like everybody else who goes to uni.

Can anyone please defend this governments insistence that nurses should have to pay to train to do this work? Or their surprise that people are no longer queuing up to do so??

Even while working and saving the NHS from paying them.

People can't afford to train as nurses now they have to pay to do so....

Yes, we do have to start training more doctors and nurses and hopefully will do during and after we leave the EU.

There is a touching faith that saint Jeremy will make it all better.Food banks were around during the last Labour government and no doubt always will be.
whoever is the PM is important IMHO as well as the policies.If it were as easy as Corbyn says then Conservatives would be promising all sorts of goodies.

A Labour Government would certainly be ashamed and blamed if its manifesto did nothing to help the poorest in society. I haven't heard shame from the current government about the impact of its policies on all our public services. Nor on the huge increase in homelessness, mental health drug/alcohol abuse. We aren't training enough doctors, they have removed bursaries for trainee nurses, I won't go on because I doubt any prospective Tory voters believe what I'm saying