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Who will replace May?

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Rigby46 Fri 09-Jun-17 06:34:38

She can't possibly stay - she's fatally wounded. Boris, Hammond and DD must be plotting as I post. Rudd a no-no, too close to her.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 10-Jun-17 18:02:57

They went to the country, against the democratic process, to get a mandate for May. Perhaps they should learn to live with their decisions and keep her.

I do not what you mean about Hammond Tegan and, although she is not an MP and can therefore not take over, I think Ruth Davidson seems an honest person. I don't like her politics but that is different.

durhamjen Sat 10-Jun-17 18:02:56

The prime minister does not speak at the negotiating table, though, Nottooold. In fact, come to think of it, that might be a better place for him than at the negotiating table.
TM has said he will have the same job.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 10-Jun-17 17:58:31

Tegan grin

Tegan2 Sat 10-Jun-17 17:47:40

I know he's the complete outsider but I do actually like Hammond, who could be a John Major type 'boring grey leader' who turns out to be quite good.

NotTooOld Sat 10-Jun-17 17:39:33

Tegan2 grin. Love it. Boris is the bookies favourite for PM. I like Boris but the next person that always comes to my mind after I've thought of him is Lord Lucan. Gawd knows why. Must be the accent, don't'y'know? Still, at least Boris speaks in tongues which would come in handy at the Brexit negotiating table. Perhaps he could take a nanny to Brussels to keep him in order and make sure his shirt is tucked in.

MaizieD Sat 10-Jun-17 17:15:07

The issue with the advisers just highlights what some commentators have been saying about May for a long time. She is not a team player, she doesn't listen to advice from anyone outside her 'team' (i.e her advisers) and she doesn't tolerate dissent.

It will be interesting to see how she copes with them gone as it was also felt that they were pulling the strings.

Riverwalk Sat 10-Jun-17 17:13:35

That may well have been the case in the west of Scotland Baggs but here in London the 'Unionist' bit made no appearance!

Tegan2 Sat 10-Jun-17 17:05:27

So it isn't spoof news that they've asked that the acronym for the brexit negotiating team [Conservative Unionist Negotiation Team]team will not be used?

Baggs Sat 10-Jun-17 17:01:50

All the Conservative election posters on lamp-posts round here gave the full title.

Baggs Sat 10-Jun-17 17:01:04

Yes, it is.

Ana Sat 10-Jun-17 16:58:55

Isn't that their official title anyway?

Tegan2 Sat 10-Jun-17 16:54:31

I did ask about it a while back [so it seems odd now, given what has just happened] but will the Conservatives now have to call themselves The Conservative and Unionist Party'?

Riverwalk Sat 10-Jun-17 16:12:20

So, the two aides have gone - sacrificial lambs, IMO.

I can't believe that grown men and women in the Cabinet were so cowed by these two 30-something advisers. hmm

Have I missed something - have any 'big beasts' e.g. Bozzer, Davies, Rudd, etc dared shown their faces to answer any questions about the election result, and as to why they put up with Nick Timothy & Fiona Hill?

rosesarered Sat 10-Jun-17 15:49:05

MaizieD........ it's a long time since I was called innocentgrin but what I said was 'they would do better to rally round' and not 'they will rally round' ....a whole lotta difference.
Ruth Davidson could not do anything at Westminster as she is not an MP.Mind you, the woman deserves a medal.

daphnedill Sat 10-Jun-17 15:48:30

The only people who will force her to resign are her own backbenchers. Hate to be all smug, but I've been saying that all along. That's the way these Tories do it - people must have seen those films where a loaded gun is conveniently left in the study after "the visit".

Jalima1108 Sat 10-Jun-17 15:45:52

sorry - before I get picked up shock - insidious

Jalima1108 Sat 10-Jun-17 15:45:09

There is some hint about the advisors acting in a rude and threatening way to ministers.

Gordon Brown attempted to rein in their power I think as they became much too powerful in the days of Alistair Campbell. The wording in the code of conduct changed slightly in 2015 so maybe it has crept back in again. Insiduous and makes you wonder who is actually in charge.

daphnedill Sat 10-Jun-17 15:44:53

Well, the Conservatives (or should that be Team May) didn't win. They lost (threw away) a working majority.

suzied Sat 10-Jun-17 15:42:10

T May ignored the democratic process by calling the election. She didn't need to - she had to pass an act of parliament to have one in the first place. She wanted to get a mandate on her version of Brexit - she hasn't got that. People didn't get excited by her vision ( even though she hasn't told us exactly what that is). She has "won" the election, but only by scoring an own goal.

Luckygirl Sat 10-Jun-17 15:31:49

The whole thing about some Tory MPs insisting that May get rid of her two advisors is an interesting insight into how things work behind the scenes. It sounds as thought the manifesto that they came up with did not have the backing of all the cabinet as it was ill thought out - so why did they go ahead with it I wonder? There is some hint about the advisors acting in a rude and threatening way to ministers.

This politics business is truly a dirty one!

Smileless2012 Sat 10-Jun-17 15:18:59

I don't think TM should be replaced. The conservatives still managed to secure the greater number of votes (8.6% more than labour) with her as party leader and PM, despite the un realistic promises made by Corbyn to motivate the younger generation.

I'll be bloody annoyed if she's forced to resign and/or there's another GE because I'm fed up with some who lose wanting to overturn
our democratic practices by wanting second referendums, another GE and forcing leaders out because they don't like the result.

Ever since she became PM because Cameron spat his dummy out after losing the Brexit vote and resigned, she's faced criticism for being an un elected PM and while I acknowledge that she expected a land slide victory, has lost seats and failed to reach a majority she still did better than Corbyn despite the number of seats Labour gained.

The conservatives didn't do well enough but they won and Corbyn and the labour party lost.

kittylester Sat 10-Jun-17 14:50:01

I don't think Ruth Davidson is an Mp, is she?

I have tried to post an answer to the Op three times now but for some strange reason it doesn't appear.

The answer is obvious - it should be Jacob!

Anniebach Sat 10-Jun-17 13:50:20

Sin .Fein will not take their seats because they will not swear allegiance to queenie

GracesGranMK2 Sat 10-Jun-17 13:24:49

These are comments I put on another thread but they are probably more relevant here;

Just being talked about on the BEEB. Apparently May has been told she either sacks her two advisors or their will be a leadership challenge on Monday. It seems well informed.

Apparently one of the advisers has resigned; no comment yet about the other one. From what has been said it sounds as if she may find it difficult to manage without them so heaven knows what will happen. I really, really resent the Tories putting us in this position just before Brexit negotiations I didn't want anyway which they brought about. Total incompetence doesn't cover it.

JessM Sat 10-Jun-17 13:20:40

You know who looks like the only plausible candidate the moment - Ruth Davidson. However the Tory MPs would probably not vote for an openly lesbian Scottish woman. The other candidate who stood last time was that Welsh MP (whose name now escapes me ) who had links to a Christian organisation that tried to cure people of being gay.
DUP partnership is horrendous. These are not the Ulster Unionist Party of old (who have lost all their seats these days). These are the people who have links with paramilitary organisations. Whose supporters had a whole wing in the Maze - with IRA in the other one. Currently in a stand off with Sinn Fein so that there has been no government in Stormont for several months now. They made a complete mess up of an energy scheme. Cost a fortune. Several hundreds of millions out of the devolved budget. And then their leader refused to step down to facilitate a government being formed. They are anti gay rights, anti abortion and generally pugnacious.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/19/northern-ireland-first-minister-arlene-foster-urged-resign-fuel-subsidy-scheme (Have to say SF also stubborn, including their bizarre refusal to let their MPs take their seats.)