Democracy hahahaha

Why is asking someone if they are old enough to remember 'patronising'? I don't understand, there are much younger people on here than me.
I must have skim read and missed the bit about you working.

It was very depressing, I had never seen rats like that apart from on the farm (dead). And people just chucked their bags of rubbish on the open area opposite our house and behind our garden. When I went shopping there was rubbish in the streets.
I just wanted to go 'home' again (back to the rural West Country).

I think I did have more than four candles nanadalot

If you can't see it, Jalima then I can't help you. But thanks for admitting that you didn't read my post properly...

Anyway, citing the winter of '79 as a reason not to trust Labour now is a bit meaningless

But I didn't!

I was just responding to your post of Sun 11-Jun-17 22:39:17
I've been googling the Winter of Discontent because my memory of it isn't very clear
and posting what my recollection of it was.

I think you and others are assuming that I said things which I did not.

If you can't see it, Jalima then I can't help you

Likewise

I remember going down to London for the day in the early 70s and there were mountains of uncollected rubbish outside shops and restaurants, which of course attracts rats who are there all the time. About the same time the firemen were on strike and a fire nearly got out of hand in our sitting room.
We had rats in the house in the 90s too, when the conservatives were in charge.

About the same time the firemen were on strike

Green Goddesses!

I wonder if they're still there waiting to be rolled out in an emergency.

They could have been made into razor blades by now.

Oooh, look at this:

Business Insider UK

Why an 'enfeebled' Conservative government could be an unexpected positive for the UK economy

Tombs' basic argument is that the government is likely to move away from the austerity-driven economic agenda that has dominated the British political landscape since the tail end of the financial crisis, and could move toward a more expansionary fiscal policy, spending on infrastructure projects and other investments.

Stealing Labour ideas, then?

uk.businessinsider.com/a-weak-government-could-be-good-for-the-uk-economy-2017-6?utm_content=buffer2fa18&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&r=US&IR=T

A good idea is a good idea, whoever had it. If moving away from austerity was good before the election, then it is still good after it. The people who were going to benefit from the change under Labour will still benefit from it. That was what was wanted, wasn't it?

I agree MaizieD. . Also Elegran, quantities easing was used successfully after the 2008 crash which helped to rescue the banks and tide us over. This time round it hasn't led to rampant inflation.

Well, Elegran. That might be so but it's something else when an idea is rubbished by your political opponents before an election and adopted by them after it (like the cap on fuel costs ).

Perhaps they'll adopt the Labour manifesto

It is Elegran, but if you stand on one platform, form a minority government and then present the oppositions Queens Speech there really is something wrong. Anything for power has always been the Tory cry and we have seen u-turns and lies in order to get it but that surely would be a step too far.

They seem to be having difficulty in getting an agreement with the DUP so perhaps all democracy is not yet lost.

Really interesting to hear of your mind reading capabilities in an earlier post. You could have told us Labour was going to do so well though.

I am hoping that when the chaos dies down we will be heading in a different direction. The conservatives have used austerity to force through their ideology, I am hoping that people have wised up to that now, we can't go on punishing the poor and the disabled.

By the way GracesGran asked why there were mumsnetters around. I've been here for years, mostly lurking, sometimes posting. I am sure there are gnetters that have a foot in both camps too.

They do indeed!

lsp I don't post but do read as there's stuff on there that is of interest to us on here!

Labour did better than expected ( but did not do well!)
They could not form a government due to lack of numbers, so whichever way you spin it, they are behind the Conservatives, it is hardly a triumph for them.
In fact, not a triumph for the Tories either, but if they do get the eight they need from the DUP then it could go ahead.If there was to be another GE any time soon,the results could be much the same.We need to get on with Brexit, not mess about any longer.

I didn't know you were a mumsnetter LSP. Those who seem to have come across recently (and you) have certainly added to the discussions. I wondered if something had triggered it but it doesn't sound as if anything did. Just one of those things

For every minute they remain in office ( not power) they will lose support - already we have the deal with the DUP, the threat to the GFA, the farce over the press release about the DUP, the playing fast and lose with the timing of the QS, her ridiculous speech when she came back from the Palace, the disclosures about her two advisers and how she was basically their puppet - keep on keeping on Tessie- you're lying more votes with every breath that you take. And now latest figures on consumer spending .....

Sigh lying= losing, probably a Freudian slip

Someone said that SF will not accept the DUP in Govt - fair enough and not a surprise - but will they need to take their seats in Westminster to make this clear? Interesting if they do.

I saw Emily Thornberry saying that Labour were going to hold their feet to the fire, crack on love, crack on

GG I find every forum has a different flavour, there are some cracking political debates here and on mumsnet, the trump one particularly. Twitter is very good too, though you have to be really careful not to get in a bubble, I try to follow people from the right and left so that my feed is mixed.

I'm ashamed to admit it LSP but I have never got my head round Twitter but it seems to be becoming an instrument of politics and may even make papers redundant. It will be interesting to see

I "follow" a range of people too, so that I don't exist in a bubble. I'm relatively new to Twitter, but am hooked. I just block anybody who gets obnoxious and don't get involved in petty squabbles.

I have been looking more and more at twitter. I don't know how to post though.

But I can understand how the mainstream media are losing their influence. Lies will be immediately shown for what they are, and it is clear how this government lost their majority and will lose the election next time if the direction of travel continues.