Democracy hahahaha

No, Jeremy Corbyn is quite happy about it, Jane. He can wait until the tories get even further in the mire.

jane well done for trying

dd that's why the Tories will do anything to avoid a GE .

They've got to take ownership of this chaos and reap the result

Jeremy Corbyn must be crapping it in case his bluff is called and he actually is landed with having to take some kind of responsibility economically and fulfill all his election promises. Omnishambles is indeed the word for this election result.

A poll by Survation from yesterday suggests that support for Labour is rising.

It seems to me that the current position re TM and the Tories cannot be sustainable. The potential damage to the GF Agreement is one important factor, amongst many others. They will surely have no choice but to call (yet) another GE. What an almighty shambles! In my 70 years, I have never seen the like.

Labour membership has now passed 800,000.
150,000 new members since the election.

We seem to be in a minority though.

ever onwards ever upwards - so much more to do though

My flag is waving and there are shouts of hear, hear, for your post whitewave.

I am fervently hoping that period is in declinegg and we will get back to the inclusive kinder social democracy our parents fought for and constructed.

Ginny - I think you are not alone in feeling angry. Deciding it is a good idea to try and obliterate any opposition in a democracy years before we needed to had to have election gives everyone reason to be angry.

Cardiff, just one point (initially), although there are many. After 1945, the Labour government nationalised key industries, such as railways, steel and electricity. I wonder how many years it would have taken to take these industries forward after the war if it was left to "the market". Some industries require long-term investment to improve services over time. This long-term investment may not be profitable in the short-term, so without government intervention they may suffer from lack of long term - or what seems to be currently called 'slow' investment.

There was a long period - up to Thatcher - when there was a consensus between the parties that a mixed economy - some government run, some privately run - would work for this country. The far-right then decided to change things. This does not mean they were right.

'Theresa May has committed the biggest blunder in British political history. That is not an exaggeration. I have thought hard about this over the last forty-odd hours and, terrible though some were, I can genuinely think of no other that was this bad. She needlessly called a General Election late in April, in an attempt to dig a very deep hole in which to bury Jeremy Corbyn. But when she tried to push him into the hole, he simply stepped to one side, causing May to over-balance and fall into it herself. Somehow, from a starting lead of twenty points in the polls, facing a deeply divided and dysfunctional Opposition Labour Party, and with the confident expectation of winning a one-hundred-seat majority in the House of Commons, May managed to lose the smaller majority she already had, and is now trapped in a Hung Parliament.

With this mistake, Theresa May has turned herself into the greatest laughing stock in Europe. While polite noises of concern have been expressed by leaders in the European Union over the fresh confusion Thursday's Election result is likely to cause, there have also been plenty of contemptuous noises. One cannot help suspecting that the contemptuous noises - especially from Radoslaw Sikorski or Guy Verhofstadt - are the more truthful ones.'

The critique archives.

Watch the video on Liverpool in this link.
Loyalists attacking an Irish pub.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/11/these-are-dups-minimum-demands-enough-to-destroy-the-gf-agreement/

Hasn't lasted long, has it?

Polly Toynby -The Good Friday Agrrement an internationalist agreement is lodged with the United Nations, and requires that the British Government remains entirely neutral between the unionists and nationalists.

The Tories are for purely Party political purposes tearing this up and playing fast and lose with peace in part if their constituency. It is disgusting

10 DUP MPs
19 gay Tory MPs.
Only 5 of them need to vote against Mayhem.

To return to the OP.

I'm beginning to feel really b****y angry now with the Tories for putting us through all this. Previously, post the referendum, I had thought well, it's a democratic process; Brexit is not what I wanted for the country or my family, but it is what it is, get used to it Ginny.

So we muddled along with TM at the helm, sailing the muddy waters of Brexit without a compass, but hey ho it was a democratic decision and then Whoah! She calls a GE! Now we're getting into an arrangement with the DUP to shore up her car crash of a government. I even toyed with the fantasy of the Queen just saying, 'No!' when she requested permission to form a Government.

This morning I awake to see senior MP's are urging the liar Boris to make a leadership bid.

NOW I am really bloody angry. She's making fools of us all in playing her game of egotistical roulette with the so called DUP Kingmakers. Be gone woman, but just don't leave the court jester in charge.

Now I have started something it seems. Take nationalisation as one example of past mistakes. Looking at Southern Rail as it is today it is very reminiscent of the problems of BR during the time it was government owned and run. the decision to put rail out into privatisation was a desperate move by government to get rid of a problem they could not resolve. The privatisation was botched and rail is still costing the taxpayer yet public ownership failed. There are many lessons to be learnt about what not to do in the future.

Utter chaos in No 10!!

The invitation to the DUP has been issued twice in error.

Blimey the always was clear evidence that they didn't know what they were doing but it is out with no doubt now.

The Tories are not fit to rule

I belong a number of other groups and use some of the stupid comments on here as evidence of the myths people have swallowed.
We have an ironic giggle

must be good to be so perfect as those on the other groups laughing at the grannies.

Having imbibed (probably too much) with DH this evening we have put the world to rights and decided the right way forward.
We will inform TM tomorrow of what she must do
and it does involve a form of PR and a coalition for negotiating Brexit (not with the DUP).

I am sure if I was on holiday with my husband, I wouldn't be looking at GN.


we're not joined at the hip, even on holiday he sometimes does his own thing and I do mine!
ie he has a nap or reads and I read or look at my iPad.

CardiffJaguar8 I don't agree with anything you've written. I'm too much of a lady to give my honest opinion - and the biased moderators on GN woud delete my posts anyway.

lololol

Keep it coming!

I belong a number of other groups and use some of the stupid comments on here as evidence of the myths people have swallowed.

We have an ironic giggle.

You can't avoid the mistakes of the past Cardiff, they have happened and cannot be changed. The possible mistakes of the future would be brought about in very different circumstances and the need to understand today and what it actually is not some idea of the 1950s/1960s/1970s (depending on you age) is required to make a decision as to whether something is a mistake or not.

So, what are the ideas that have failed and which are the ones that are repugnant? The most recent one I can see is continuing austerity for 10 years and starving our economy. Did you explain that to them - obviously with the economics that goes with it?